Gulags were prisons. And they were, in many ways, more humane and rehabilitation-focused than any Western prisons. This is scratching the surface of the issue.
The real issue is you not bothering to fathom that the capitalists will fight tooth and nail, including psychologically, to stop the rise of the singular ideology that threatens their millenia of power.
I understand that there is a mountain of propaganda convincing you that Stalin was evil, but literally name one thing supposedly wrong witb LENIN. Nothing, not even the usual CIA and Nazis could be bothered to make up stories about him.
You are operating under the assumption of, “well, all the people around me say these people are evil, so, they must be!”
In case people are still reading this thread, Kronstadt were Whites (not the skin kind, the White army). Some at Kronstadt called themselves anarchists but the group otherwise committed pogroms and was fighting for the White army. Not that OP really cared, all he wanted was to attribute something to Lenin to criticize him for.
What I have to say is to point you towards the Dessalines git post and ask you to find the issues with his sources or his statements wikipedia is not an unbiased or in depth source, look at the primary sources of your information who they were how they got that information. Like Dessalines looked at it and countered it with good sources now you are pointing back at the target of the Dessalines criticism without even acknowledging the criticism. I have no problems with disagreement, as long as its in good faith but you glossing over and huge documentation of criticism and just repeating your point cause Wikipedia says so does not look like good faith
Can’t you see that you are pretty much doing psyop yourself? There’s no such thing as a good dictator. Stalin isn’t good because they sentenced to dead less political prisoners than the Tsar or Hitler. They are all shit. Do not worship a dictator.
You can find plenty of communist criticisms of Stalin. They appear on this forum from time to time.
Maybe try engaging earnestly and give specifics. You may get even more context from us that might change your view. Or, hell, we might even agree with you. Stalin did good things. He also did some shit things.
Instead, you’re relying off of the Stalin boogeyman myth that even the US government has admitted is false.
The CIA admitted they invented the hogwash about Stalin being a dictator, and admitted he was merely the “captain of a team.”
The only reason we think of him as a “dictator” here in the West is because anybody that has resisted the West’s demands for total prostration is a “dictator.” If you want examples of REAL dictators you should look to all of the right-wing egotistic maniacs the U.S. government sponsored from centuries past to the present.
There is a difference between a “dictator” who kills fascists, capitalists, monarchists, slavers and saboteurs trying to actively destroy a system that is saving and uplifting hundreds of millions of lives, and an ACTUAL dictator who kills twice that number in women, children, socialists, racial minorities, sexual minorities, religious minorities, while plundering the country and essentially enslaving their own populace.
If you kill a thousand or a million there’s a big difference but you are a murderer regardless. You don’t have to worship any dictator and you don’t have to defend any of them.
Gulags were prisons. And they were, in many ways, more humane and rehabilitation-focused than any Western prisons. This is scratching the surface of the issue.
The real issue is you not bothering to fathom that the capitalists will fight tooth and nail, including psychologically, to stop the rise of the singular ideology that threatens their millenia of power.
I understand that there is a mountain of propaganda convincing you that Stalin was evil, but literally name one thing supposedly wrong witb LENIN. Nothing, not even the usual CIA and Nazis could be bothered to make up stories about him.
You are operating under the assumption of, “well, all the people around me say these people are evil, so, they must be!”
Kronstadt comes to mind
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt_rebellion
This appears to be another… Wikipedia link?
Go ahead and post another source. You won’t find a much different account of the story
The Krondstadt wreckers had it coming. It would have been a bad thing if the soviets didn’t massacre them.
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In case people are still reading this thread, Kronstadt were Whites (not the skin kind, the White army). Some at Kronstadt called themselves anarchists but the group otherwise committed pogroms and was fighting for the White army. Not that OP really cared, all he wanted was to attribute something to Lenin to criticize him for.
Although ALSO the skin kind lol, just coincidence
Kronstadt is a city not a football team.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt_rebellion
Learn history and stop spreading bullshit
What I have to say is to point you towards the Dessalines git post and ask you to find the issues with his sources or his statements wikipedia is not an unbiased or in depth source, look at the primary sources of your information who they were how they got that information. Like Dessalines looked at it and countered it with good sources now you are pointing back at the target of the Dessalines criticism without even acknowledging the criticism. I have no problems with disagreement, as long as its in good faith but you glossing over and huge documentation of criticism and just repeating your point cause Wikipedia says so does not look like good faith
Here’s one issue: most of these link redirect to a website called reddit.com which blocks me out
If you call out Wikipedia for being biased and link me to reddit instead you should go hide under a rock
Also in an average year of the gulag, about 40 percent of prisoners were released, meaning sentences weren’t long
Can’t you see that you are pretty much doing psyop yourself? There’s no such thing as a good dictator. Stalin isn’t good because they sentenced to dead less political prisoners than the Tsar or Hitler. They are all shit. Do not worship a dictator.
[Genie meme]
You: I wish [“tankies”, or whatever else you want to call us] stopped worshiping dictators.
Genie: Granted
You: Nothing changed.
Genie: Correct.
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I understand that you can’t understand our comments. I mean, if you did, you’d realise we don’t worship anyone.
But… damn, you can’t even read the image in the post.
the most devout anti-communists can’t read.
There’s a reason every single evil communist dictator has encouraged massive literacy programs.
You need to stop telling us what we believe. We don’t worship anyone.
You can find plenty of communist criticisms of Stalin. They appear on this forum from time to time.
Maybe try engaging earnestly and give specifics. You may get even more context from us that might change your view. Or, hell, we might even agree with you. Stalin did good things. He also did some shit things.
Instead, you’re relying off of the Stalin boogeyman myth that even the US government has admitted is false.
He was never a dictator
Are you saying that he was a dictator?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin
The CIA admitted they invented the hogwash about Stalin being a dictator, and admitted he was merely the “captain of a team.”
The only reason we think of him as a “dictator” here in the West is because anybody that has resisted the West’s demands for total prostration is a “dictator.” If you want examples of REAL dictators you should look to all of the right-wing egotistic maniacs the U.S. government sponsored from centuries past to the present.
There is a difference between a “dictator” who kills fascists, capitalists, monarchists, slavers and saboteurs trying to actively destroy a system that is saving and uplifting hundreds of millions of lives, and an ACTUAL dictator who kills twice that number in women, children, socialists, racial minorities, sexual minorities, religious minorities, while plundering the country and essentially enslaving their own populace.
If you kill a thousand or a million there’s a big difference but you are a murderer regardless. You don’t have to worship any dictator and you don’t have to defend any of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka