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“We are raising funds to support a critical legal defense in the fight against unchecked corporate power and a system that continues to favor the few over everyone else. This case isn’t just about one individual—it’s about challenging a status quo that protects the interest of the powerful at the expense of justice and fairness,” read one of the fundraising pages that was quickly removed by GoFundMe.
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So where can we donate?
Probably with a check directly to his lawyer, if at all.
They let the guy who leaked Trump’s tax returns hold a gofundme, but folks didn’t really help him out as much as he needed.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/charles-littlejohns-legal-defense-fund
During the Great Depression, people were so angry at banks that they rooted for bank robbers. Things are so bad now that we’re just straight up rooting for cold-blooded executions. Censoring people’s online activities won’t make this anger go away. The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
OR…they raise premiums to pay for more security.
Reddit just banned me for saying I support Luigi in his monster slaying quest and hope there’s more heroes out there.
Say, what’s the Lemmy policy on being real? I don’t really care. I’ll say it in person as well as any online platform, and if I’m banned from them all then I’ll just read books and shit.
then I’ll just read books and shit.
That’s how I use the toilet!
Depends on the instance, I hear LemmyWorld doesn’t really like it.
It depends on the instance. I just left Lemmy.World because of their euro- centric pro-censorship stance of educating people on the existence and explanation of jury nullification.
That’s what I’m on since I’m not really too well read on Lemmy yet and it was the most popular. Any suggestions for a good instance that can be readily joined where we have some semblance of freedom of speech? I mean, I’m far from a terribly hateful person but I’m not going to pretend I’m upset when a bad person dies, and I also like discussing internet piracy and such. I just wish for Reddit circa 2008. Heh.
I‘m a piracy fan and I‘m on dbzer0 instance as it‘s an offshoot of r/piracy. I barely post and lurk more, so I don‘t really know how they‘d moderate on the Luigi situation. The owner seems to be an anarchist and historically anarchist action wasn‘t all peaceful, most anarchists seem to support a “diversity of tactics” one of which is violence. Which makes sense to me, it’s like self defense cause what Americans are dealing with here is structural violence and what looks like zero hope for change.
We very much support deny, delay depose policy
Violence is very unfortunately the only way the world ever changes substantially. We deify our own nations’ founders as legendary revolutionaries when they used violence as their primary tool. We understand why the French had their revolution. We root for the anti-heroes in films. But then I’m supposed to be silent when I see somebody finally taking action in a meaningful way against some greedy sociopathic pig? I’m supposed to be okay with platforms silencing me and telling me I’m wrong for thinking this way after decades of being beaten down by these types?
Well, I’m not upset that CEO is dead. I like it. I hope somebody guns down another every week. Gives me a rock hard justice boner. And if speaking like this gets me banned from online social media then maybe it’s for the best. Spend way too much time on it anyways. Haha.
Telling people that jury nullification exists isn’t a problem, I’ve done that ad nauseam on .world. The problem is connecting it to calls for violence, as a way of encouraging people to cross that line.
Attention all Luigi supporters!
Lemmy.world’s policy is to remove comments and posts that advocate for violence. And imprisonment is a violent act. If you see a post on lemmy.world advocating for Luigi’s imprisonment, report it and leave a comment explaining how it advocates for violence.
That’s some old bullshit
Pretty sure it’s a by-server or by-community basis, but I’ve seen nothing but support for him on here
There are various actors trying to least descalate the support and others who painted him as murder esp starting today.
They are mirroring fake news arguments to split the support. Their play here depends on their ability to do so.
Fever has died down too.
He is already cooked from their perspective but I still don’t buy he was in fact the guy who pulled the trigger
I’ve seen some people try to say he was a Far-Right loon who had a shrine to the messiah himself, Jordan Peterson.
I saw a laughably bad article on MSN that basically said “Won’t someone think of the billionaires and ban video games before someone kills again? This guy played Among Us ya know!”
You guys use MSN?
I mean that’s literally a call to violence. Fuck Reddit but this is not an example of them being terrible. You’re straight up asking for bans with that kind of comment.
Is it? I am indeed happy that CEO died. He deserved it. Fuck him.
Is Lemmy basically just Reddit Junior then? No real improvements to freedom of speech? More moderators being over zealous and deleting posts and banning people left and right and controlling the narrative? I don’t really know what this place is all about I guess. I’m not like super hateful or anything but I’m not going to pretend I’m on the side of monsters who ruin the world for profit. I fit in beautifully on Reddit circa 2008.
Looks like TikTok is the only place you can actually be a real mother fucker and my country is shutting that down soon. What a bummer.
Lemmy is just the software that runs on various instances (servers) that all talk together.
I like to think Lemmy is the multiverse version of Reddit. Don’t like your instance and admins? Join a new instance.
Thank you. I was told by another user to try an anarchist instance. It’s not like I’m some hate-monger or even at all abrasive. I’d just like to see the kind of freedom we had on Reddit in 2008 where the community is allowed to moderate itself outside of some obvious exceptions. We didn’t know how good we had it then. Peak days of online discussion.
I have genuinely started to dislike the internet as a whole in the last couple of years, where everyone is trying to be "familiar-friendly " and “corporate-friendly” like wtf? Even I’ve got enough shadow bans on me(especially on the ones by google) that I’ve almost got a strange gut reaction when using a swear word, to stop and consider if it’s going to get me banned. But atleast I’d be able to say what I want. Even then, I’m just so much more happy that I can type out long-ass 10 page rants and it would not be considered a spam, just because of being long on reddit and eternity. Also, fuck lemmy world mods for censorship.
Lemmy world isn’t a government and you don’t want completely unrestricted speech on forums dude.
You didn’t say “I’m glad he’s dead.” You called Luigi a hero and called for other heroes to go kill more people. That’s very different.
Yup, here’s hoping. With a little luck, some would-be mass shooters will also hopefully reconsider their objectives after seeing how much love Luigi is getting and at least go out doing something positive for society instead of shooting innocent people. School shootings are so 1998 and real virgin behavior.
You’re missing the point. You were incredulous at being banned. I explained why. Now you’re saying “yes I did that.” So that’s why you were banned. Advocating for violence/murder.
Do you get it?
Yes, I 100% know why I was banned by a corporate website that abandoned the policy of free speech they were founded on years ago. I don’t care. I’m done playing nice and thinking and saying what I’m “supposed to.” Fuck these people and all who lick their boots.
My question is what is Lemmy about? Can I say I’m glad that CEO got shot and I hope it becomes a new positive trend in the world here? Cause that’s my honest take, and it’s been so refreshing to see that it’s the predominant take among friends, family, and coworkers in the real world as well. We think Luigi is just great.
On tiktok youre a real motherf🐈er lmao
Billionaires deserve to live in fear.
“In fear” are the key words here.
If I stole hundreds of dollars from people in my town and my name was public information, I’d be scared shitless.
Billionaires steal millions and not just in dollars. The way I see it, Luigi took out a serial killer, not a businessman.
I would like to remind everyone that while I do wish the worst for billionaires, I do not legally condone violence of any kind. I will however smile if I hear about bad things happening to bad people.
Billionaires should not exist. Tax them out of existence. If they don’t exist, they won’t be vigilante targets.
Being poor is a fate worse then death for a billionaire.
All the more reason to make them poor.
It shouldn’t just be a cap either. Net worth topping $1B should just be a reset button. Automatic bankruptcy. It should be something to actively fear and avoid, not just a score to max out.
Yeah, billionaires! We’re just trying to help you!
No they don’t.
Deserve to live I mean.
I will not elaborate further.
Nah they deserve to live, as a treaf. Plus I want to see what happens to person when you pour lemon juice into their open chest cavity while theyre awake.
The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
I don’t expect radical changes. I expect them to make the minimal concessions they believe to be enough to make people just happy enough to not depose more CEOs
I actually don’t expect CEOs and billionaires to make any concessions. Honestly, this is how I imagine the next few years going:
Right now, billionaires are waking up to the fact that the majority of Americans want them dead. CEOs will start beefing up security while politicians and pundits try to spin this, and they’ll all hope this was a one-off. It won’t be. Sure, there probably won’t be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a five day manhunt, but there will surely be a guy with an AR-15 who takes out billionaire or CEO before getting gunned down himself by cops or private security.
Billionaires will start lobbying for protections from Congress, probably through special treatment from federal law enforcement and a push for gun control. This will only further enrage the public, who have faced mass shootings in schools and churches without any response. On top of that, the Trump administration is gearing up for an era of naked corruption, which is going to make the billionaire class even less popular
All in all, I think we’re heading towards a period of political instability and violence. Maybe it will end with public rage being channeled into a series of reforms like FDR managed with the New Deal. Maybe we’ll devolve even further into oligarchy and authoritarianism as American society collapses. Either way, I think there will be radical change.
Anyway, that’s my theory. Maybe I’m wrong, and this will be a blip, but I don’t think so. This feels like a very different, very significant moment.
That’d still be helpful, last time they gave us “Just enough to put down the pitchforks.”
That was the “New Deal”
Like that’s ever gonna happen. There are and will always be boot lickers that’ll do anything for money.
It’s a real shame they all end up in congress too.
One ended up working on a McDonalds. Fucking traitor
They get put there don’t just end in a position of power
Like how banks became institutions dedicated to the public good following the Depression?
More like how FDR used the banks’ need for government assistance to force regulation on them through the 1933 Banking Act and the Glass-Steagall Act.
The Glass-Steagall Act that was repealed and now banks are more out-of-control than ever?
Yes. A decade after it was repealed, we had the largest financial collapse since it was enacted, and now we’re dealing with higher income inequality than we had during the Gilded Age. What part of this is meant to invalidate my point?
I’m refuting the idea that fanservice leads to lasting institutional change.
The fact that we’re in the shitter because the change didn’t stick kinda proves my point.
Well, A) the point isn’t that, “fan service,” created this change. It’s that people’s willingness to side with outlaws over institutions is a good barometer of public anger, and based on the United Healthcare killing, people are fucking pissed. B) FDR passed banking reform and social welfare programs that created decades of economic stability and only lost their efficacy after half a century of conservative attacks chipped away at them. I’m not sure why you think a historical example of the sort of fundamental, radical change in talking about doesn’t count just because the Baby Boomers fucked it all up.
Yes, proof that reforming capitalism is wasted effort. You can only delay end stage capitalism reforms, not prevent it.
This situation has me pondering 2 hypotheticals.
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How long until people start posting the names of individuals perceived as traitors (eg the McSnitch, the journalists shilling for Thomson, the politicians leading the charge against Mangione, etc)?
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Can he realistically be tried at all? A broad cross section of people are really supportive of Mangione. We’re in such a weird timeline that I could potentially imagine groups like Black Block and Proud Boys standing side-by-side on this one.
If they could get bank robbers convicted in the 1920’s they’ll get someone to convict Mangione. Unfortunately the offline world is a lot more split about this.
- buckle up shits gonna get weird.
Have they proven to that Luigi was the guy who killed trigger?
We have seen nothing to prove this.
It’s weird that one of the pieces of evidence used to arrest him was finding a “Ghost Gun, cheap 3D Printed Firearm meant to be discarded after a single use! Recently used!”
Which is incredibly sus, why would he still have that after leaving the state?
That just screams “Planted evidence”
It’s a 3d printed Glock lower. It’s not meant to be discarded after a single use any more than a regular polymer lower would be
Doesnt need to be, they have already turned him into the lightning rod. Regardless of his innocence or guilt he is the focus now.
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Did they allow Rittenhouse to use GoFundMe?
Surely, Luigi is innocent until proven guilty too.
When you’re only targeting poor people, they let you do it. You can kill anyone.
Just checked on that because I was curious. Looks like they only allowed fundraising for Rittenhouse once he had been acquitted.
Rittenhouse is still a murderer, you can’t change my mind.
Pro-tip: It’s not self-defense if you started the fight.
My take is that he is innocent according to the laws of the USA, which I don’t live in. Morally, yes it was a bit odd to attend a riot with a hunting rifle, but again - not American.
Thanks. Looks like there are more right wing places people can donate. Who would have thought I would be willing to use such a site.
No, they didn’t. This is the part where you realize cheering on control of one side will come back to bite your side eventually. Now the only path he’ll have are those conservative-based fundraiser sites. Funny how that works out
Eh? I never cheered anything on. If anything I would want all sides to be treated equally. Either you’re allowed to open a fund me for criminal defence or you’re not.
I don’t choose what I support based on my political leaning and I think anybody that does is a dishonest person.
Edit: I was merely asking a question as I recall funds being raised for Rittenhouse, I just didn’t recall which site.
One side? Luigi is a right winger, likely, or at least a libertarian.
Don’t care, we have the same class interests.
That was misinformation meant to turn us against him.
We are all working class.
Have you read the details on his family? He is very much not. But anyone willing to stand with the working class is welcome.
They’re fucking terrified. The reaction of the public to this assassination has shocked them. They understand that they need to crush this guy and they need to crush the swell of public support or this is the end of unfettered capitalism. When the few have everything and the many have nothing the many rise up and take back everything and the cycle starts again. Every single dollar in every rich guy’s bank account came from the hard work of non-rich people. There are thousands of them and hundreds of millions of us. We can just rise up and take what they have. They have to stop this before it builds and before the majority realize that we can do it.
They expected us to go “We don’t condone violence!” or “Think of the billionaires!”
They weren’t ready for him to go down as a folk heroes, and honestly if it weren’t for places like Lemmy he wouldn’t have because the corponet will ban your ass for cheering at this.
I give them at most a month before they go back to ignoring us.
Nope nope, this is just a one-time thing one crazy guy,
For the moment they might be right. People are cheering this guy on but I haven’t heard about any protests. People don’t seem to be angry enough right now.
Him killing a CEO won’t start protests, but if they ratchet down more restrictions, perhaps. I honestly don’t really see it happening. We’ll just be pissed off in silence.
This seems hypocritical to me, but also I would caution against anyone supporting a GoFundMe or any crowdfunding with a high profile persons name on it because I wouldn’t trust the organizer to just take the money and run.
Huh? Isn’t he entitled to the best defence he can get?
Innocent until proven guilty, remember.
I was going to make a joke about how crowd funding legal fees is only OK for ex presidents and right wings nutjobs, but I thought somebody might not understand the sarcasm and agree.
Canada shut down banking for the redneck convoy…
Any time the regime is challenged, you can’t use your money
If he’s got money which according to reports his family does, then they can hire the best lawyer they can afford. If he doesn’t have money then he gets an overworked public defender juggling 30 cases.
More like 100
Innocent until I abolish the state kinetically
…But it’s okay for people to run many, many GoFundMe pages that support Trump’s legal affairs. Got it.’
Take it up with Tim Cadogan, CEO of GoFundMe.
I like this new world of ours where CEOs get the public recognition they deserve for all the hard work they do.
Thank you, CEOs, for giving us somebody to look up to. By name.
If only I could get their address or office so I can send him a thank you gift.
Where’s Luigis brother Mario to help him out
Can’t wait for the romhacks surrounding this lol
For real.
Let’s fucking set up a PAC for the guy then. Apparently anything goes with those.Technically a super pac. They can do issue advocacy.
to run some tv ads? nice
Is that what Trump did with Elons PAC money?
he should make a patreon page to support his art.
I know it’s off-topic but your instance’s name makes me feel uneasy.
I get that a lot. I just like what originalucifer wrote in the about and faq. If I did not already have a handle I have been having fun with for awhile I would make one inspired by his.
Absolutely a double standard but an easy to imagine one. I was just thinking how the right used GoFundMe for that racist prick Rittenhouse (among others).
Can we just have our class warfare already? It’s ok to kill black folks not heaven forbid you actually eat the rich.
What’s most ironic to me is that gofundme is often used by those who have been denied insurance coverage to get help to pay for medical treatment. I guess at this point they’re just dipping into the “please support the salt party, as slugs for salt, that’s where we want our money to go.”
The US healthcare system being fucked is literally GoFundMe’s sole business case.
GoFundMe also removed fundraisers for Rittenhouse’s legal defense.
The ban was only lifted after he was acquitted.
Don’t eat the rich, that’s inefficient (and unappetizing, as the vast majority are a majority of plastic, etc.) Use them as fertilizer and feed the world. 🤌🏼 Get that polymer-eating mycelium, and we’re really cookin’ without a fossil-fueled doom, eh?
Don’t eat the rich, they’re full of parasites
Don’t eat the rich, they’re
full ofparasitesThough, that’s needlessly unkind to parasites in general. 🤷🏽♂️
That’s gold that doesn’t need to be mined.
Stoned me can often be quite clever, and thank you. 🙇🏽♂️🖖🏽
Stoned isn’t education and that was clearly the content of the latter.
Sorry, I’m not sure I follow. “Stoned isn’t education”?
Well if it’s Durban Poison or some derivative hybrid then you may be drawn to what TO pay attention to but your use seems to attribute the sort of Indica being in play which basically just deteriorates any you may have left right off the bat.
You’re of intuitive understanding and being stoned doesn’t attribute to one’s ability in such. Not that you aren’t rather that you are so well knowledge of the matter that even if such were, you can, as you seem to have called, are so well knowing that even that is unable to tear from the wells of your immediate comprehension .
It was quite the attempt to complement in a sense of despite your own claim.
Thank you for the compliment and the word salad? 😅🤓
There is a lesson in there… Learn it
“We are raising funds to support a critical legal defense in the fight against unchecked corporate power and a system that continues to favor the few over everyone else. This case isn’t just about one individual—it’s about challenging a status quo that protects the interest of the powerful at the expense of justice and fairness,” read one of the fundraising pages that was quickly removed by GoFundMe.
If GoFundMe picks and chooses who gets to abide by their terms and who doesn’t, can people challenge them in court? TOS includes: Users agree they will not use the platform for, among other things “the legal defense of financial and violent crimes, including those related to money laundering, murder, robbery, assault, battery, sex crimes, or crimes against minors.” Why is this different for Luigi than Trump? How can one be denied and the other given a pass, legally?
How can one be denied and the other given a pass,
Unfortunately I think the honest answer is something like “fuck off, pleb”
legally?
Oh sorry, I missed that last word there. In that case I think the answer is something like “fuck off, counselor”
I’m confused. Why is this not allowed? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
It’s actually guilty until proven rich.
GoFundMe’s terms and conditions, however, are pretty clear. Users agree they will not use the platform for, among other things “the legal defense of financial and violent crimes, including those related to money laundering, murder, robbery, assault, battery, sex crimes, or crimes against minors.”
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Unless the criminal is wealthy, like Trump. Then they can have all the money.
Maybe he has a decent shot at President now
Depends, is he a grotesquely corrupt, bigoted Christian white nationalist (since Italians are allowed to be considered white now)? That seems to be the kind of person America wants.
It’s so weird how they allow January 6th insurrectionists to have GoFundMes with no problems. Very weird indeed.
They didn’t use GoFundMe.
They had to use GiveSendGo, which is basically GoFundMe for fascists.
I’m gonna take a wild guess and assume fascist GoFundMe would similarly block these
Can we talk about these teeth?
One of the few things working class people of all political leanings agree on. The problem with using Fashy GoFundMe is that I’d be even less inclined to trust the money would go where it’s supposed to than on regular GoFundMe.
Has there been an investigation or is this just suspicion?
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But we don’t want to tip him for the crime he committed; we want to tip him for supporting healthcare access!
…also if GoFundMe takes a page down, what happens to the funds already donated?
…also if GoFundMe takes a page down, what happens to the funds already donated?
Automatic refunds. Something something ‘donor protection program’… That’s also in their terms.
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People who contribute to these accounts won’t lose their money—GoFundMe’s giving guarantee ensures donors a full refund in case of misuse or other problems with a fundraiser.
What if we just want to support his lifetime pizza fund?
Thanks! I should have figured they just blanket block some stuff.
But running Trump defense funds is OK?
Because it’s only a democracy until u start getting into interests of a ruling class.
This guy doesn’t need a GoFundMe.
He could start an Only Fans where he talked about his ideas with his shirt off and he’d be set for life, or at least until Nintendo sued him off the Internet.
I’d watch it if he was 1000% into the actual content and NEVER mentioned not wearing a shirt.
This just my house clothes
Real talk: do people just go nude/semi-nude at home on the regular? I had no idea.
In the summer…? Sure, no point in putting anything on if you aren’t going out.
and it saves energy by using less A/C!
Shirtless with maybe some boxer shorts is pretty common, particularly in hotter climates
One of his ideas is that people are watching too much porn and not having enough sex
I volunteer to pay him a conjugal visit.
Damn, hes got me figured out
Yeah, so just the shirt.
He can fuck my girlfriend any time she wants it.
Source?
I’d agree with that.
I’d pay for that.
The consistent creation of fundraising pages of Mangione follows the macabre reaction much of the public has had to the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
More like the perfectly reasonable reaction.
They either can’t see what’s going on, or they can’t admit it in case it encourages solidarity among the poors.
I mean, the vast majority of poor and uneducated voted for Privatized Healthcare, so that’s not really true. Plus, Luigi wasn’t exactly poor, he worked in the tech industry.
I was working in tech when I became disabled. I wasn’t rich and I would have become homeless if I didn’t have a partner’s income to fall back on.
Tech isn’t some magical gold mine.
He had a masters in Computer Science from University of Pennsylvania (Ivy League, founded before the USA), graduated a private high school as valedictorian, and prosecutors are claiming he was carrying $10,000 in cash when he was arrested.
Tech was a magical gold mine to this kid, but rich parents didn’t hurt either.
I thought it was Engineering, not CompSci? (Not that it really changes anything about the point)
Yup sorry, Masters in Science and Engineering, Bachelors in Comp Sci
You don’t know that. His grandfather was wealthy. He’s one of, IIRC, 37 grandchildren. That doesn’t mean he is wealthy. Yes, much more privileged than most of us, but that doesn’t mean he was rolling in cash. Even if he was, so what? He was still fighting against an unjust system.
And he disputed in court that that cash was his–notably, while not disputing that the gun was his. I’ll trust an average person over a cop trying to get a big win any day. They plant plenty of false evidence.
$10,000 would be a weird thing to plant, nobody would have questioned Cocaine. That’s more money than most people his age have ever had in savings total.
It’s not that weird if you think about it. They could be trying to portray him as a flight risk since he also had his passport.
A friend of mine had a very well paying job in tech. Then she had a major injury. Without money paid by her well off parents she would have died. Insurance was stingy as hell.
Cool cool cool, so she wasn’t really poor.
Ok, so now instead of ‘eat the rich’ we’re going ‘eat everyone except for the absolute poor’, right?
I’m just saying the image most people have of Luigi Mangione is pure fiction.
The rich should always have been afraid, but that is besides the point that the best possible outcome for all of us is to become real political activists and help elect people who will bring about real change without encouraging violence in the streets. Or at the very least have some way to organize to the point of actually agreeing on which targets are greenlit, but that’s basically impossible. Just yesterday I saw some kid talk about offing the Funko Pop CEO for taking down Itch Io, another dude advocating arson on a McDonalds in the mall.
Working in the tech industry isn’t enough money to be immune from worries health care costs. A bad injury or illness can rack up hundreds of thousands or even millions in bills.
A kid who’s been out of school for a few years could maybe have made a few hundred thousand. There are rare unicorns that might get totally insane compensation right out of school but I doubt there are many 26 year olds getting 1 million+ total compensation in tech.
Anyway, making a few hundred thousand a year isn’t poor but when you’re looking at healthcare, political influence or the legal system, that money most certainly isn’t rich.
He’s from a rich family. He went to a $40k/year all-boys private high school and was valedictorian.
Is being valedictorian a proof of financial situation? Genuine question.
Not proof but high grades are definitely correlated with family income.
The danger is that those less well-off people who are currently supporting privatized healthcare will see actions like this, hear the conversations around it, and figure out what the real issue is, unless the media obfuscates it with spin.
And this guy may have been fairly well off (his family apparently are wealthy). But he doesn’t have to be poor to get people thinking and talking.
Libs would literally rather see 1000000 poor people killed than one rich guy who’s responsible for it.
