oh boy, it’s almost as though people who immigrated out of their socialist country into the far-right United States had a political motive for the move, and therefore aren’t the authorities on the conditions of the country they left.
When an anti-com says “yeah but Cuban immigrants” I really wish I could simply take them to Cuba so they could talk to actual Cubans.
I forget the statistic, but a majority of Chinese citizens are happy with their government. That’s real Chinese citizens, living in China, right now. But, sure, listen to the guy who’s the grandson of someone who fled the country before Socialism could start to be built. They’re clearly the person to be listening to. Like, their fuckin’ grandfather was probably part of the reason the revolution needed to happen.
Really the whole “yeah but my friend is [Cuban/Chinese/Ex-SR nationality/etc.] so they’re right” argument strikes me in much the same way the “I have a black friend so I’m not racist” argument does.
People who left will also have certain bitterness toward the homeland. They will not hope to see their homeland develop better as that will make them question their choices. Hence the bias.
I moved from Poland to Italy and Italy to Germany and truth be told, I’m mostly just sad of how these countries turned out.
I forget the statistic, but a majority of Chinese citizens are happy with their government.
It’s 90% lmao
From a study done by Harvard
As a Chinese immigrant I think Communism is great.
May i ask why did you decide to move?
I didn’t, my parents moved here before I was born. However they are generally pretty pro-China----my dad has Mao books and my mom is willing to buy me translated theory from China. I’ll probably move back to China after I graduate, if possible.
Did they ever tell you why they decide to move?
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Have they mentioned ever wanting to return to China?
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Do they wish to make their current country of resident communist too?
Currency exchange rates wild af
Diaspora communities usually send money back home. You can get a lot of food on the table for your whole side of the family if you can get an engineering job.
Jobs. I don’t want to say any more because I’m afraid of getting doxxed lol.
I dont think that getting doxxed here is likely. Users dont need to include emails and IP addresses are not logged. This is a pretty good privacy forum for anonymity.
I’ve been finding that in recent years the goal of Chinese students in universities in my patch of the West has shifted from “get a degree and settle down” to “get a degree and go home”.
That’s not to say that I don’t still occasionally encounter the “I want out of China at any cost” types, but I certainly think there’s fewer of them.
lol i always like to imagine how it would sound if the roles were reversed: “Oh you think capitalism is that great? Well, go ask some american and british immigrants”
“Oh you think nationalism is a great idea? Wait a moment, I know a guy from Poland.”
I have no reason to believe that a Chinese or Cuban expat will have anything good to say about the communism they’re “fleeing” specifically for the charged verb involved. “Fleeing” implies loss; which in a burgeoning Communist society, means their family was fucking around; and is now finding out. No reason to believe anything they say is in good faith.
Now, the ones only here to study and then go back? I really want to talk with them.
Plenty, yeah. But also, plenty of people leave or are forced to leave their countries during revolution because revolutions and the periods after are violent times full of chaos. It takes a while for these countries to stabilize. It’s not always an ideological thing.
I mean you gotta put yourself in their shoes, communists took all their fancy mansions, and their capital, and even had the temerity to take their slaves away.
Impressive.
Let’s see what actual Cuban and Chinese citizens have to say.
Why would I care what some
thinks? I have more in common with the 99% of Cubans who stayed on the island than the opportunists and scoundrels who fledContext of that picture is absolutely hilarious.
The girl in that picture is like a “left”-liberal (I think) protesting in favor of the #SOSCuba protests, and was surprised that far-righters were there with her.
My grandparents lost their egg monopoly in China
Well how about you ask the people actually living there, especially in China where the number of people living there dwarfs the number of expats from there? Like Cuba’s population is not HUGE, and neither is their number of expats, but China has the largest population on Earth with enormous support for their government
They’re all brainwashed, obviously. Anyone from a communist country is just being forced to lie about it being good. Unless they say it isn’t, then they are 100% truth tellers and should automatically be believed in everything they say no matter how outlandish or how much they get paid by the US to say it.
You mean the petty‐bourgeois Cubans and Chinese who just spew the same talking points that other anticommunists do while immediately dumping actual research into the trashcan? Seriously, we don’t need more of those.
The first link doesn’t work well on the phone
How did you get access to jstor? Every time I try, it never gives me university access
Are you a university student accessing from your campus network? If so, maybe ask someone at your university about it…
Well, I am not in uni anymore, but I still have access to my school portal.
Could that perhaps be the issue then?
Maybe
i love that the link works despite what the slur filter did to it
“communism is bad, amigo!”
“why did you come to USA if there’s lotsa capitalist countries around?”
“cronyism!! not true capitalism!”
But then of course when you cite Carlos Garrido or Danny Haiphong, etc. then they say “noooo not THOSE Cubans and chinese!”
Not that this changes the validity of your point in any way, but isn’t Danny half Vietnamese, not Chinese? Idk maybe i’m just ignorant.
Oh is he? You know what, I will self crit here. I just assumed he is part Chinese because he talks about China a lot. My bad if I assumed wrong
Edit: I forgot his Twitter handle is spiritofho. You probably right. Well let’s say Tings Chak then lol
I talked to Chinese expats, and it changed my view of China positively, though I still had these propaganda brainworms in my head that made me think everything they say is forced and not their own will, brainwash etc… This caused me, among other reasons, to be afraid to speak with them. That was a long time ago, I then realised what was really going on with that narrative.
I thankfully stopped believing this bullshit imperialist propaganda narrative about socialist countries, and started to educate myself out of curiosity, starting with Marx.
Meme maker should take the time to talk to some American and Westoid “expats” and see what kind of fucked up things they say.
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