Donald Trump has long attacked Joe Biden, his likely opponent at the polls next year, as ā€œSleepy Joeā€, portraying the 80-year-old president as too old and too mentally fogged to occupy the Oval Office. As recently as Friday, the former president attacked his successor for being unfit to deal with Russia and the threat of nuclear war.

But Trumpā€™s tactics rebounded when he said Biden threatened to lead the US into ā€œworld war twoā€ ā€“ and suggested that he, Trump, thought he had beaten Barack Obama for the presidency back in 2016.

There have been two world wars. The first ended in 1918, the second in 1945. The cold war, the nuclear stand-off between the US and the Soviet Union that often threatened a third world war, ended with the fall of the communist regime in Moscow in 1991.

Obama was president, and Biden vice-president, from 2009 to 2017. In the 2016 election, Trump beat Hillary Clinton.

Mockery of Trumpā€™s stumbles was immediate and sustained. But it also pointed to an increasingly stark issue on both sides of the aisle: the advanced age of many American leaders, and polling that shows most voters want generational change.

At 80, Biden is the oldest president ever. Should he win re-election and serve a full term, he will be 86 on leaving office. Polling has shown more than 75% of Americans think he is too old for a second term.

Trump is 77 but polls show significantly fewer voters think he is too old to return to power. Whether gaffes like those he made in Washington move the needle remains, of course, to be seen.

Addressing the Pray, Vote, Stand summit, a rightwing event, Trump said Biden was ā€œcognitively impaired, in no condition to lead and ā€¦ now in charge of dealing with Russia and possible nuclear warā€.

Under Biden, he added: ā€œWe would be in world war two.ā€

On Monday, the MSNBC host Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman, laughed as he said: ā€œItā€™s almost like itā€™s the summer of 1939 all over again. You know, [Trumpā€™s] fatherā€™s going to a Nazi rally or something, or a Klan rally. I donā€™t know which rally he did or didnā€™t go to.ā€

Trumpā€™s father, Fred Trump, was arrested after a Klan riot in Queens, New York, in 1927. Donald Trump has reportedly expressed sympathy for Nazism and Adolf Hitler.

ā€œBut yeah,ā€ Scarborough said. ā€œYou think they may want to take out the ā€˜cognitively impairedā€™ part of his speeches from now on.ā€

Jonathan Lemire, his fellow host, said: ā€œThatā€™s an attack line the Republicans and Trump love to use [against Biden] but, man, that does seem like he was looking in the mirror just there.

ā€œI mean ā€¦ we see these polls that suggest that voters are more concerned about President Bidenā€™s age than Donald Trumpā€™s age. Trump is only three years younger and anyone watching Trump day in, day out says heā€™s changed too.ā€

Biden says he is fit to serve. So does Trump, telling NBC in an interview broadcast on Sunday ā€œthere should be a competencyā€ test for presidents, of the sort he ā€œacedā€ while in the White House. That prompted memories of previous national mirth, when in summer 2020 Trump, then 74, bragged about successfully recognising ā€œperson, woman, man, camera, TVā€ in a cognitive exam.

But, again, the issue remains a serious one.

Democrats protest that disproportionate attention is paid to Bidenā€™s age than that of Trump. Last week, Chuck Rocha, a Democratic strategist, told CBS News: ā€œJoe Biden is getting older, we all know that. But the other guy heā€™s probably going to be running against is getting older, too. And in the focus groups that Iā€™m doing, old and steady still beats old and crazy.ā€

Nonetheless, on Sunday, a new poll from CBS and YouGov said only 34% of voters thought Biden would complete a second term if elected. Asked the same question about Trump, 55% said they thought he would complete a full four years.

Asked if the two men had the necessary mental and cognitive health to be president, 26% said only Biden did, 44% said only Trump did and 23% said neither did.

Ninety-one criminal charges and assorted civil lawsuits notwithstanding, Trump leads Republican polling by wide margins. His challengers have made age and cognitive ability an issue but such is Trumpā€™s dominance, they have mostly directed their fire at Biden.

Ron DeSantis, the hard-right Florida governor who is a distant second to Trump, said last week age was ā€œabsolutely a legitimate concernā€ when electing a president.

ā€œThe presidencyā€™s not a job for someone thatā€™s 80 years old,ā€ DeSantis told CBS.

He did not say if he thought the same about someone who was 77, and who the former Republican party chair Michael Steele called a ā€œdumbassā€, over his Washington remarks.

But DeSantis added: ā€œObviously, Iā€™m the governor of Florida, I know a lot of people who are elderly, theyā€™re great people, but youā€™re talking about a job where you need to give it 100%, we need an energetic president.ā€

Concern about the age of many US party leaders has spread beyond the presidency, particularly given public health scares suffered by Mitch McConnell, the 81-year-old Republican leader in the Senate, and Dianne Feinstein, the 90-year-old Democratic senator from California.

DeSantis said: ā€œI think that if the founders could kind of look at this again, I do think they probably wouldā€™ve put an age limit on some of these offices.ā€

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    2020 election: ā€œBiden is too old to be elected president!ā€

    2024 election, Trump is now one year older than Biden in 2020: ā€œTrump is perfectly fit for office!ā€

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      I would vote for a Weekend at Bernieā€™s Biden before I would vote for any fascist GOP who are already damaging America.

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    You know how old people occasionally squeak out farts without ever being aware of it? This is essentially what trump does but with stupidity.

    Heā€™s just too fucking stupid to be aware of how stupid he is. And that is both hilarious, and dangerous simultaneously.

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      You know how old people occasionally squeak out farts without ever being aware of it? This is essentially what trump does but with stupidity.

      Well he does it with farts too. IIRC it sounded like he shit himself during a press photo op with Erdogan.

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        Sounded like? Heā€™s continuously sharting 21/7 and the remaining 3 hours hes literally shitting the bed.

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      You just hate the messenger. Probably feel you have a good reason too, but itā€™s not crazy to think Biden is starting to lose his touch, especially when you compare old videos of how coherent he was. Iā€™m sure Trump is getting senile too, but as of right now I would say Biden is a lot worse at holding his own. Trump is just acting as heā€™s always acted.

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    Itā€™s hard for Republicans to think of Trump as old and senile when all they see are images of Trumpā€™s head photoshopped on Ramboā€™s body.

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    Whenever I see these headlines I no longer see the Trump as stupid ā€¦ nor do I see Biden as equally dumb.

    I see the whole American system of government as stupid and non functioning ā€¦ American government is basically a glorified old age home at this point.

    The dumb part is the whole country accepting that.

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    I mean I kind of agree with Trump, but I would like to see someone under 50 maybe?? Like someone who isnā€™t ancient, you know?

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      I get what youā€™re saying, but at the same time Iā€™d rather have someone old and qualified than young and crazy. Biden before MTG, you know what Iā€™m saying?

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          I canā€™t. Sheā€™s one of the sane ones, and I hope she builds enough support to make a bid for the office. The point is simply that ā€œyoungerā€ is not automatically ā€œbetter.ā€

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            Sorry I either misread or replied to the wrong person. Donā€™t remember which cause ADHD.

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      I wish this was consistent, but everyone talking about age limits wonā€™t shut up about Bernie Sanders so I canā€™t take them seriously.

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          Itā€™s crazy how weā€™re white washing history now and saying Biden is awesome, solely cause heā€™s not Trump. Heā€™s certainly the lesser of two evils but Biden is far from awesome. Heā€™s as conservative as you get in a politician and his hands are bloodied from the murderous drug war he has pushed for decades, and the police militarization that came with it.

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            Iā€™m not whitewashing Biden at all dude. I can remember every US president starting with Nixon. That is 50 years worth of presidents. No Biden is not perfect, but Biden is literally the very best president of the last 50 years

            Heā€™s as conservative as you get in a politician

            Huh? Biden has the most liberal accomplishments out of all presidents of the last 50 years. And if you want to go back decades, Biden was one of the very few senators to vote against the first Iraq War in 1991.

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              ā€œBiden sucksā€ supposed leftists when confronted with facts: cricket cricket

              I half suspect these people are just paid shills, but they seem too stupid for that.

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            from an outsiders POV, Biden is pretty good as far as international relations go, probably best ive seen in my life.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    But it also pointed to an increasingly stark issue on both sides of the aisle: the advanced age of many American leaders, and polling that shows most voters want generational change.

    Addressing the Pray, Vote, Stand summit, a rightwing event, Trump said Biden was ā€œcognitively impaired, in no condition to lead and ā€¦ now in charge of dealing with Russia and possible nuclear warā€.

    So does Trump, telling NBC in an interview broadcast on Sunday ā€œthere should be a competencyā€ test for presidents, of the sort he ā€œacedā€ while in the White House.

    That prompted memories of previous national mirth, when in summer 2020 Trump, then 74, bragged about successfully recognising ā€œperson, woman, man, camera, TVā€ in a cognitive exam.

    Ninety-one criminal charges and assorted civil lawsuits notwithstanding, Trump leads Republican polling by wide margins.

    Ron DeSantis, the hard-right Florida governor who is a distant second to Trump, said last week age was ā€œabsolutely a legitimate concernā€ when electing a president.


    The original article contains 912 words, the summary contains 161 words. Saved 82%. Iā€™m a bot and Iā€™m open source!

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    Calling Biden ā€œcognitively impairedā€ is hardly a tactic. Thatā€™s fact. Left or Right, makes no difference.

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    I kind of hate to say it, but even though Trump is much more deserving of a guillotine and a shallow grave, heā€™s far more lucid than Biden. The ā€œworld war twoā€ thing is hardly a gaffe, Iā€™m 25 and I say shit like that sometimes, and then the rest of the article is kind of a nothingburger when it comes to Trumpā€™s mental intactness. Itā€™s important that we base our critiques of ghouls on material reality - Trump is bad because his actions and beliefs are evil. We donā€™t need to invent things that arenā€™t true in order to criticize him.

    Trump shouldnā€™t be banned from the presidency because heā€™s cognitively failing, Trump should be banned from the presidency because he should instead have an appointment with a lethal injection. Donā€™t lump him in with innocent people who have dementia just because you donā€™t like him and want to tack on even more negative qualities.

    Iā€™m trans. I wish Trump was cognitively declining. A senile Trump would be far less harmful of a president than the Trump I see. But if we keep infantalizing him and misrepresenting him to ourselves like this, we will have an inaccurate characterization of our enemy, it will lead to poor tactics in 2024, and we will lose.

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      And yet they say Biden has dementia because he has a stutter. The same stutter heā€™s had his entire life. Why is a stutter a sign of mental decline?

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      I bet $20 youā€™ve never seen a Biden speech that wasnā€™t edited specifically to make him sound senile.

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      Trumpā€™s mental intactness

      you can excuse the WW2 ā€˜gaffeā€™, what about how he claimed to beat Obama in 2016? or the other 7653 ā€˜gaffesā€™ heā€™s made in the last year alone

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      Heā€™s stressed and getting older and itā€™s showing. I agree with your sentiment, he shouldnā€™t be underestimated.

      I do think this is good political theater on the part of the liberal media in that it embarrasses him. While he has no shame he is a raging narcissist which means the more he showboats the more bruised his ego.

      The more bruised the ego, the more stressed, the more mistakes. More mistakes means more evidence for the prosecutor.

      His lawyers have repeatedly advised him to sit down and shut up. So, while he is an expert manipulator (this is a tactic he developed to get his needs meet, because his dadā€™s love was conditional), heā€™s also addicted to attention. Heā€™s making the mistake all addicts make, to put access above personal safety. Especially under stress.

      In other words, in this case, heā€™s being a dumbass. And while heā€™s still dangerous. Heā€™s not rational.

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        Oh, heā€™s definitely dangerous, heā€™s definitely being a dumbass, and heā€™s definitely not rational, but he can string together a sentence and often times even a paragraph. Thatā€™s more than can be said for a lot of politicians, Biden included. I personally believe that if we pull another 2015, we will see another 2016.

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          I begrudgingly watched most of Trumpā€™s and Bidenā€™s speeches. The fact you think Trump is more coherent than more than like 5% of Congress is absolutely wild. And Biden has a well documented stutter and is still light years ahead of Trump. You should actually watch the 2 speak instead of getting 10 second sound bites from whatever right wing source is telling you this.

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          Bidenā€™s not in decline. Heā€™s been stable since before the presidency. For all any of us know, heā€™s on pregabalin for nerve pain (a medication I take that causes me every symptom I see Joe have, and Iā€™m not even 50).

          My point is, Joeā€™s gaffes can be many other things other than mental decline, and since he hasnā€™t declined in 4 years, itā€™s not that.

          Cognitive decline is rapid, as you made an allusion to, weā€™ve watched it happen to two other representatives in the last year.

          Itā€™s more likely that Trump is in decline over the recent gaffes, because theyā€™re new. Biden has been stable for years. Stability isnā€™t decline and the man is allowed some medical privacy.

          Honestly you sound still bitter about Hillary. Which I get. But Biden is going to be the democratic hopeful because heā€™s the sitting president. Unless he steps down or has a major medical event, you need to accept that and realize that your comments are not fucking helpful if you really want to see someone other than Trump in office come 2024.