The worst part about this is that it wasn’t a one time sort of thing. The forced relocation was enforced until just before the Soviet Union fell. As a note, every other ethnic group that Stalin forced into relocation were allowed to begin returning home in 1956, but not the Crimean Tatars.
Stalin also tried to kill them off via famine in the 1920s.
This is bad, however, there’s some hope. From wiki,
Starting in 1967, a few were allowed to return and in 1989 the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union condemned the removal of Crimean Tatars from their motherland as inhumane and lawless, but only a tiny percent were able to return before the full right of return became policy in 1989.
Even with the war going on, the Soviets still had time and resources to conduct their own genocide.
Stalin was a big fan of genocide, especially in Ukraine. He also deported all the Jews to Siberia and created a “Jewish Oblast” in the middle of nowhere, the only place Soviet Jews were allowed to live unless they were extremely useful.
What a colossal bastard. His only benefit was he fought Hitler.
And he was perfectly happy to work with Hitler until Hitler betrayed him with Barbarossa. Colossal bastard doesn’t begin to describe what an absolute fuckface he was.
The Russians committed so many genocides to natives all over Eurasia you cant even count them…yet no one today cares. There are whole groups of people basically erased because of them
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Genocide advocacy is not kosher here. Refrain from that in the future.
You should be banned for a month.
Do you just get a raging boner everytime you see a post and think " I can jam me some politics right up in here"? You people are why the Internet sucks now, if you fell in a pond with a large rock necklace the world would be much happier.
I agreed with you, until the last part. That was unnecessary.
I have lots of string and rocks if you’d like one also.
‘kys’ style comments are not welcome. This is your only warning.
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Champ I was referring Mr retard who decided to make this about American politics. Had you read the comment I was replying to you would have noticed that. But nah why would ya do that when you could rabbling and useless. If I had to guess you have populated and made at least 1 extra gootard to carry on you legacy of… what ever it is you are doing.
Don’t use the term ‘retard’ or its variants here as a form of disparagement. It has an ill history to it.
It’s neat how you people think you are helping with this… the Internet had a solid 20+ wild West years where it was fairly fun, inclusive, and happy. Then Facebook came around and gave the average person the chance to " have their voice heard"… in reality it was the equivalent of city folks moving to a quiet farm town and bitching that their neighbors tractor is too loud, their cows smell, and their siding is the wrong color. All that warrioring you think you are doing is doing nothing but driving a wedge between every one and building anger… take a look around, look at comments, look at any social media and notice how on edge and angry everyone is… then remember you people are the reason it is there.
Alright, well, I’m not interested in arguing the issue, going forward there will be bans handed out, so keep that in mind.
Meh
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Hmmm look a country type thing In a far off land… how can I turn this into left/right USA currentish bullshit? " I know, I’ll post it on the Internets, because fuck having friends, going outside, or having any type of life. I get get 3 fake Internet points by bots and other room dwellers and I can pretend people like me… Click to win
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[David Attenborough]: notice here as the Internet incel attempts use the " no you are defense" it’s rare to see a internet commenter is such dire desperation… but such is life.
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O sorry your not that special, I just reply to comments and algorithms messages you to tell you about it. Nobody cares enough to talked directly to you, but just pretend you are quarantined and have some fun with it.
They really don’t burn well though
TBH that doesn’t look very forced
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God, I’d hate to see your comments on pictures of Holocaust trains without any guards in the frame.
Holocaust trains had people stuffed inside, not riding on top where they could easily escape. Use your fkn brain
I’m glad you’re able to glean that from one photo.
I mean, it’s the Soviet Union. Clearly it wasn’t forced, and if it was, they were reactionaries and deserved to be genocided. /s
oh yeah my fucking grandma just LOVED the russian concentration camp after WW2. all the rape and potato peels was like a stay in tahiti, i bet.
these fucking idiots.
Tahiti is just capitalist propaganda. All comrades love potato peels.
Probably a minority opinion but potato peels are far and away the best part. Scrubbing them clean is annoying, especially since they’re cleaned and then re-soiled by the companies packing them, but they have the best taste and highest micronutrient concentration in the potato. Not defending atrocities, just stating a culinary preference in a modern western country. Stalin was awful.
Are the peels eaten in the east? I remember telling some Eastern European friend that for more recipes I usually keep the peel and eat it and some told something on the lines of that only being possible because in west Europe we ate “Young” potatoes, while they grew them for longer time and the peel becomes thicker and less palatable. It was long ago, might be misremembering
I imagine it has quite a bit to do with the variety of potato grown as russet potato skins can be surprisingly thick and Yukon gold are razor thin. That said, both are delicious when cooked correctly but disgusting otherwise. Russian potatoes look similar to russet potatoes, for all the good that information will do you.
no no. y’all really don’t seem to be getting it.
she would have starved to death in a russian concentration camp if she didn’t sneak potato peels from the trash to stay alive.
and y’all motherfuckers talking about hurr hurr potato peels are great.
yeah it’s the fuckin best cuisine in the concentration camp, i bet gordon ramsay would praise its creativity and robust taste.
I apologize, I saw potato peels and decided to share. Given that it wasn’t a direct response to you, I didn’t think you’d take it as one.
I mean, I have no idea what’s actually happening in that photo. Maybe they are being forced. but there are no visible military and seems like regular civilians in the crowd. Also, they’re piled on top of the train, so escape would be easy
Yeah so you should probably read about what you’re taking about before you say a bunch of dumb shit.
I wasn’t saying they were or weren’t being forced, just that the photo doesn’t make it appear that way 🤷
It could simply be a train unrelated to the event described in OP’s headline. I honestly wouldn’t know. Just commented that it looks rather different than I’d imagine
Are you seriously denying genocide rn?
It’s a tankie’s favorite pastime
Anyone else feel a very distinct narrative being pushed with these last few posts?
I seem to have touched a nerve.
Yeah, the narrative of documented historical fact.
First the Anne Frank graphic novel, now this comment. Fascists really hate the “narrative” of historical truth.
I don’t know, historical “truth” is all about focus, editing and which documents, details and context are hidden, lost, forgotten, censored, omitted, overlooked, not even recorded. In the end it is a narrative and can be shaped by bias like a newspaper: you need to read a few different ones to get an idea of what actually happened, unless you lived it and even then it’s interesting to see what it looked like to others. What is important is that there is free access to historical documents and information so you can ask questions that were never answered before in textbooks and still get answers instead of an uncomfortable void in some parts.
Okay, but this actually happened and is well documented. The event is not under question.
Yes, this case is pretty clear and the intentions and alternatives are clear too as far as I can tell, it’s a classic imperial strategy of homogenisation.
PS: What I was thinking of when I wrote that was the Wikipedia article on the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and how the Soviets were apparently chummy (not just non-aggression) with the Nazis before being invaded by them (1st order correction to what I used to think: that they hated each other) and there is actually a 2nd order correction to that correction from documents found showing that Stalin tried to form an anti-nazi pact with France and the UK, but it was rejected in favour of appeasement, which puts that in a different light too…everyone comes out of it looking foolish.
It’s true that it was official policy in soviet-colonized spaces to erase the local culture and power structures, replacing it with Russia’s, and paper over what happened with self-serving stories as the story of record. It’s also true that this is a thing they have in common with every other colonizer; just as the Europeans colonized the shit out of the Americas, Russians colonized the shit out of the Soviet republics (and their own territory).
Yes, the process of colonizing in this fashion involves the deliberate destruction of inconvenient fact- but saying “we can’t know the truth” participates in its erasure.
I didn’t say we can’t know the truth. I said the truth can’t be known if you can’t ask questions and don’t have free access to investigate the dark past. Some dude even called me a holocaust denier 🤡
A direct result of denialism in the community,
There’s CCP and Kremlin propaganda all over Lemmy, of course people will tell the truth to counter it.
“Narrative” is a funny way of saying “woah I’m an idiot”
Hey you absolute idiot. This is history, not a narrative. Get the f out.
Any telling of history is a narrative.
Are they doctored photos?
Do you take issue with the title?
Ah yes, the narrative of, checks notes, “objective and verified facts that happened”.
What narrative would that be?
well aren’t you important!
