• crab_spy_@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    forever peeved that Alison never makes these lists despite being one of the best keepers in the world.

  • BranDaMan16@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Am I the only one who thinks clean sheets are more of an indication of great defensive play rather than great goalkeeping ability?

    • theHawkAndTheHusky@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      There should be another measurement than played games. As you said, a GK with bad players upfront is likely to be more in the middle of the action, hence potentially gets beaten more often.

      I would love to have more context available from such stats, like how many shots on target, saves made in general or as others mentioned saved penalties.

    • Fancy-Past-6831@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      I think it’s a bit of both, even a single great save can result in a clean sheet. Kobel for time and again has saved our asses so has MATS for barca in last couple of seasons.

    • surgereaper@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      Ucl final of 2022 is probably the biggest example of how sometimes it’s the defence, sometimes the keeper single handedly and sometimes a combination of both

      • Newcastlewin1@alien.topBEnglish
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        11 months ago

        Yeah it really depends on the specific game and the keeper. Some keepers also kind of run the defense and some dont.

      • poslovnireddit@alien.topBEnglish
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        11 months ago

        True but Curtois carries that ucl win from the groups to the final, his saves were crazy and impressive

        • gudni-bergs@alien.topBEnglish
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          11 months ago

          I have never been in more disbelief after that final, what a performance by Courtois that day

    • xqz32dll@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      Let me turn that thought around: Am I the only one who thinks goals scored are more of an indication of great offensive play rather than great scoring ability?

      Let’s say a keeper faces like 10 shots a game and has to save every single one to keep his clean sheet. A striker can bottle 9 chances and just poach in one shot to score.

    • MrPigcho@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      This is true from the perspective of ‘performance of teams in European competitions in the last 5 years’ but there are other factors that impact the inclusion or exclusion of leagues in statistics. France is a top 5 league in revenue for example, which is a fairly good proxy to measure how many people follow the league and would therefore be interested in hearing stats about it.

      I personally would like all stats to include the top 7 leagues but it gets tiring to see people pretend not to understand why Ligue 1 is chosen as the 5th league ahead of Eredivisie or Primeira Liga.

      • gazjelle@alien.topBEnglish
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        11 months ago

        No one actually thinks the Eredivisie is better than Ligue 1, it’s just funny to make fun of the French.

  • KingEOK@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    The ordering is so annoying! Ter Stegen should be too, poor third… more games with the same clean sheets…

    • Proudbolshevik@alien.topBEnglish
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      11 months ago

      6 clean sheets, 2 penalties saved, finally got called up for Poland squad (as a 3rd goalkeeper tho). You should try to get him back before the price gets ridiculous.