I was reading Warframe reddit threads about opinions on the setup of Cavia standing, and I saw an opinion that was taken as a given that I disagree with. People said that it’s easier to max daily standing with Necralisk and Z****** than with Cetus and Fortuna, because the token system lets you bank a week’s worth of standing in one go and then cash in the standing limit of tokens day by day.
The point I want to make isn’t applicable to Cavia, but on that one technical point, I disagree. It’s easier to max standing with Cetus than with Necralisk. Now, I say this being at rank 4 with Necralisk and rank 3 with Ostrons, but that’s only because I like the infested better than the grineer (And I had to get a necramech for New War). In terms of ease, Cetus wins.
Today I put on a podcast, went out to the plains at night, and maxed my daily standing in 20 minutes. I did so through conservation. The place was crawling with vasca kavats and other animals. It was easy. I didn’t have to pause my podcast to look through menus, I didn’t have to wait for dialogue, I didn’t have to run out timers with extractors or Latrox. I just shot two dozen animals and went home. Also, that’s even with it being harder than normal because my right click is on the fritz.
Conservation is as easy on the drift as it is on the plains. Easier, actually, because infested tend to get close and personal real quick and then stop spawning, while Grineer are constantly patrolling and shooting you from a distance. But on Deimos, conservation doesn’t reward standing directly. You have to trade tags in to Son, and you can only get so many tags at once. After that, you have to wait. You can’t just bang out all your standing in one go, you get a slow drip feed of standing tokens. On Deimos, it’s more efficient to just run missions for Mother. But in Cetus, you can mostly ignore the bad guys and get your daily standing done inside half an hour.
100% this
I quickly max ranked both Solaris United and Osteron without getting too angry. Entrati? I’ve barely ranked them and I haven’t bothered with Lloid at all. I have zero interest in the way DE setup the token system and Entrati/Lloid will likely be the /last/ content I bother with. I dislike it so much I’ve started working through the Simaris offerings as scanning enemies is less annoying to me than grinding Entrati or Lloid rank.
The token system would be great if I wasn’t forced to play every little bit of content in the Cambrian drift. I’m not fond of conservation, fishing is boring AF to me and mining is annoying but manageable for my brain. Thanks to the token system I’m /forced/ to run every little bit of content and then go ‘buy’ tokens (wtf DE?) for common, uncommon and rare resources. It’s very easy to not be able to buy tokens due to them costing some random blend of common/uncommon/rare resources (with time gating no less! seriously?!?) and even if you /do/ buy tokens, its best to exchange them for grandmother tokens which is a whole other level of time gated, random buys further forcing grinding and farming all the things.
If I wanted to be forced to wander around an open world farming All The Fucking Things, I wouldnt be playing Warframe, I’d be playing an open world farming game.
I really hope they do a re-balance pass like they did on Fortuna that eases this pain. I want nothing to do with the way they laid out the ranking mechanics for Entrati and Lloid.
Set it up like the Holdfasts and Cavia. We can farm our syndicate standing via the hidden map treasures (void plumes / voca) on whatever map we like to engage with. We can also stock pile them and upgrade them to higher levels of rarity without too much pain to better manage daily standing limits over time. It goes quick, doesn’t fry your brain and allows you to avoid burnout on any one map/content type if needed.
I appreciate your sentiment, but you’re talking like all that isn’t optional. You can completely ignore mining, fishing, and conservation if you just run Mother bounties. It’s less efficient, but it does get the job done. My point is that you can’t use conservation to max Entrati easily, not that you have to.
Funny enough, the different family tokens actually do spawn randomly where you can pick them up, they’re just only in caves, fairly rare to spawn in any one particular spot, and they can spawn in so many spread out places it’s unlikely to find them within a reasonable search time without splitting up to speed the process, so usually not worth it compared to just getting them normally unless they change them a lot.
This is good to know. If I get desperate I may have to look into this further.