• lurch (he/him)@sh.itjust.works
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    i tell you how to start a war with russia: you do fucking nothing and mind your own business, even give up your nuclear arms and a few years later they try to invade your country without even a declaration of war like the fucking savages they are.

    everyone saw it happening. so obviously being a good neighbour doesn’t cut it when you deal with russia. so please excuse us when none of us gives a damn any more about what could start wars with russia. that ship has sailed.

    you know what, i think it will even be good for other nations to start wars with russia, so Ukraine doesn’t have to do all the fighting. russia will have to split their forces to engage on multiple fronts. it will be over quicker and we can split russia up, catch all the war criminals and reform it, just like Germany after WW2. let’s just rip off the bandaid and get it over with. i’m ready.

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      Why did Russia invade Ukraine on 24 February 2022? What does the US want in Ukraine?

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        Why did Russia invade Ukraine on 24 February 2022?

        Because putin and everyone who supports him is an a-hole and greedy bastard.

        What does the US want in Ukraine?

        The US wants peace and stability in the region and support for their Ukrainian and European friends.

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          The US wants peace and stability in the region and support for their Ukrainian and European friends.

          The US does not want peace. You know why? Because the US rejects any peace deal with Russia, while Russia repeatedly extended proposals for a peace deal. Ukraine had democracy, peace, and stability before NATO showed up. There is a before and there is an after. Ukraine today is less democratic, less free, and far less stable under the tutelage of NATO. By all metrics, Ukraine has receded on everything. What the US wants is to expand its influence, which was a long term policy set many years ago after the fall of the USSR. What the US wants is a NATO Ukraine, a NATO Russia, or NATO Russian states subservient to US foreign policy, that extends into Eurasia. This is the reason the US does not accept any peace agreements or compromises with Russia. The Russian political class is the stumbling block for US influences beyond Europe. How do I know this? Whistleblowers and articles by American elites and the very little coverage of the evidence at hand. The most important news you will find on page 25 or at the back of the newspaper, as it is a proper analogy to mainstream news media.

          There is short term policy and then there is long term policy. For long term policy to work, you need an entrenched establishment with common goals and a common ideology. This is why Donald Trump is not accepted among the establishment. Americans elites were debating soon after the collapse of the USSR on whether NATO should expand near Russia’s borders. Very important people in the US government and the EU knew that expanding NATO to Russia’s borders was insane. Especially expanding NATO to Ukraine, which was meant to be a neutral state to meet security concerns. Part of that security concern was the denuclearization - which is a paradox because a nuclear weapon is the ultimate defensive weapon. The warmongers, the hawks, the neocons won out, and it became settled policy to perpetually expand NATO, which is why it is not a defensive alliance. When the USSR collapsed, its conventional military forces became weak, but the Russians counted on their nuclear arsenal to protect them from NATO expansion as the ultimate defensive weapon. Conventional military forces are used much more offensively while a nuclear strike is rarely used in that way, if you consider Nagasaki, and Hiroshima offensive. Nuclear threat escalates the threat to survival on a much higher scale. Russia is afraid of NATO’s conventional forces because NATO is the expansionist here. Americans adopted the British Empire geo-strategy of encircling Russia.

          Your answers to my questions are not serious, and you have no evidence to support your claims. To understand the conflict in Ukraine, it is important to know it is not just a Russian factor; it is also the US factor. Without the US factor, there is no Russian factor. That is to say, without US interference, and involvement in Ukraine, there would be no 2014 coup in Ukraine, and the Russians, for sure, would have not invaded on Feb. 24, 2022. The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not unprovoked, not by a long shot, despite what Western information dispensers say. The following links are evidence…

          FUNDAMENTALS OF RUSSIAN FOREIGN POLICY CONTRIBUTE TO TENSION - https://bit.ly/4c1DYoT

          NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA’S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES - https://bit.ly/4c1DYoT

          A Geostrategy for Eurasia | Foreign Affairs - https://fam.ag/4b0l6pH

          How to Possibly Start a War with Russia: Let Ukraine Join NATO - 19FortyFive https://bit.ly/4aMfrDc

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            Because the US rejects any peace deal with Russia

            the US is already at peace with russia. there is no deal to make.

            Ukraine had democracy, peace, and stability before NATO showed up

            you’re misinformed. NATO showed up after russia attacked and Ukraine still has a democracy, unlike russia, which is defacto authoritorian.

            also, NATO is an autonomous defense alliance. it is by itself no threat against russia or any other nation. NATO will not attack russia or anyone first. any NATO member which does will not be helped by NATO. in theory russia could even join NATO and be part of the alliance. russia however is not a member and has therefore no say in who may join.

            anyone taking a stance against NATO (so you and your friend putin) reveals they want other nations defenseless, because they plan to attack them.

            i understand for you, as a russian, it’s hard to keep up with what’s happening. after all, your government is lying to you, you’re probably malnourished and afraid to accept the truth, as you may be sent to a gulag and be tortured to death.

            i hope you can avoid draft and flee until Ukraine beats russia, so the advanced weaponry my country provided to Ukraine doesn’t end your life cruel and early. still better than having to live in russia tho.