Tankies gunna tank I guess lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(^The comment I was banned for on /c/Palestine)

  • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    79·
    3 months ago

    One thing I don’t like over here on Lemmy is that when a mod action happens against you you don’t get a notification of any kind. So unless you check the mod logs you’ll typically never know something happened.

    NGL I’m half tempted to make a bot that crawls the mod logs to tell people when something happens to their posts or comments.

      • amio@kbin.run
        13·
        3 months ago

        Presumably it’d interfere with .ml etc censoring dissenting (i.e. sane) opinions, which is why it’s not happening. Same as how instance blocking was like pulling teeth

      • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
        10·
        3 months ago

        On the sidebar of every community in lemmy-ui is a link to the modlog. For example, here’s a screenshot of this community’s sidebar:

        Unfortunately on Jerboa I couldn’t find any way to get to the modlog. Don’t know about other apps.

        You can also navigate to /modlog on your instance. e.g. https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog. Unfortunately it’s not very easy to use, and it’s not always clear. For example, when I loaded the page, one entry I saw said “mod Banned @[email protected]”. Which mod? Why, what did they do? Where have they been banned from?

        Another entry when I look at the modlog from my instance says “mod Banned [email protected] from the community [email protected] reason: advocating assassination expires: 4 days ago”. Mostly great, I know who was banned and from where and why. I still don’t know who did it, but whatever. The only catch? The ban was issued 2 hours ago. Issued 2 hours ago but expired 4 days ago? Huh?

        I’m glad it exists, but I rarely look at it. It’s just not practical to use most of the time.

          • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            2·
            3 months ago

            Unfortunately I’ve yet to find an app that makes getting to the modlog easy so the only option I’ve found is to open my phone’s web browser and check it that way.

            At least Lemmy works better on mobile than a lot of other sites

    • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
      8·
      3 months ago

      I’m only on ShitJustWorks because I thought Lemmy.World straight-up deleted my account.

      For repeatedly explaining to someone that I was arguing for copyright reform… while they just slapped the table and parroted the status quo. As if ‘but! copyright! exists!’ was both news and a counterargument. That sort of trolling horseshit is what moderation’s supposed to be for. Not waiting for someone to say a no-no word. Or to heave a sigh and say, go ahead, make good on your adorable threat to report me, I’ve done nothing but humor you with more effort than your comments deserve.

      But every moderator dense enough to demand “civility” never reads anything besides the comment that gets reported. And none of them have any god-damn idea what trolling looks like, so good luck getting your own reports acknowledged. On reddit I could imagine a conscious effort to ratchet discussions toward right-wing nonsense. But here? No. Here it’s just ignorance of what makes discussions worth having.

      If people can lie and misrepresent and spin and lie, without any fucking consequences, but ‘I think this user is being dishonest’ is an intolerable personal attack, you run a community for those liars.

      • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        3·
        3 months ago

        I’ve literally had some of my comments (on this account and others) removed while other people agreeing with me don’t have theirs removed.

        Or moderators banning people for stuff that’s not even against their rules but they just put it as the reason anyways.

        Not to mention the amount of misinformation that flies around that goes completely unchecked.

        I’m currently chilling on blahaj because the moderation is pretty good (usually) but having downvotes disabled really hampers things at times as some pretty terrible shit sometimes gets a lot of upvotes but you never see the downvotes.

        • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
          5·
          3 months ago

          Even Blahaj has the admin going to bat for outright cranks, and censoring the gentlest criticism as “gatekeeping.”

          Capitalized pronouns are not a gender issue. That’s not how pronouns or gender work. Anyone insisting the little people call them Her Majesty deserves to be ignored at best, whether they’re trans or cis.

          And that’s the shallow end of this conversation - I had someone insist on equal respect for emoji as pronouns. Hard no. Fuck off. I don’t even respect emoji as text. I don’t care how hard anyone feels it; you cannot sexually identify as a pumpkin symbol. That’s not what those words mean. Me saying so is fucking obviously not the same kind of disrespect as deadnaming someone, and people trying to equate them are insulting the trans community. Trans women are women. No human being is produce.

          Almost wrote “no human being is fucking produce,” but I have videos to the contrary.

          • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            2·
            3 months ago

            You won’t hear me defending the admin here that’s for sure. And I agree with you on everything in your comment here.

            It ain’t perfect here for a number of reasons but it’s a pretty chill place at least in the communities I participate in on this instance. Though I have had some weird to shitty experiences with mods on this instance on more than a few occasions.

    • A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      65·
      3 months ago

      We don’t really have a theme in this community so it’s not like it doesn’t fit. But we are pretty united in being against tankies, so…

      • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        20·
        3 months ago

        Oh lemme be clear I’m not saying it should be removed or anything, I just think it’s a bit of an odd space to warn others about tankie behavior or whatever. I admittedly bristle a bit when I see posts complaining about how something is moderated, and while I know they’re part of forums and what-have-you, I don’t think I’ve seen one posted in 196 like this.

        So I ask outta curiosity, not condemnation.

    • jabathekek@sopuli.xyzOP
      43·
      3 months ago

      A warning I guess. I didn’t realize some of the communities were on .ml, which is the devs “flagship” instance so they ban people for saying stuff like “tankies gunna tank”.

          • Asudox@ani.socialDeutsch
            1·
            3 months ago

            Yeah, since v0.19.0.

            You basically never see anything that comes from lemmy.ml. Some instances like hexbear are worthy of being blocked by everyone. Though afaik most instances with sane admins have already long defederated with them so yeah.

      • I'm back on my BS 🤪@lemmy.autism.placeEnglish
        10·
        3 months ago

        Why not just stay away from lemmy.ml then? You can start the same communities on another instance. It would be like me going to a Nazi instance and pointing out that they ban anyone that celebrates diversity. Like, yeah… that’s what they do. It’s in their ethos.

        • shininghero@pawb.social
          12·
          3 months ago

          You technically can. The issue is that when the average Joe sees five instances of the community they’re looking for, and the highest users/month stat is on .ml, they’ll post there for the most traction. And the problem just self-reinforces from there.

  • YeetPics@mander.xyz
    27·
    3 months ago

    I also got banned from all the .ml stuff.

    It’s a badge of honor.

    Here my comment that triggered their mod:

    • lud@lemm.ee
      16·
      3 months ago

      That’s an incredibly stupid comment though, but congratulations I guess.

    • boonhet@lemm.ee
      16·
      3 months ago

      Ah, reminds me of the ol’ “How quickly can you get banned from /r/sino?” challenge

      Took me one comment and it was a very reasonable one that didn’t bash China even. It was something about decentralizing manufacturing being good because it’s not great that all the world depends on one country to make everything.

      • Tudsamfa@lemmy.world
        6·
        3 months ago

        As you can see from the downvotes, this was just a random vegan feeling the need to make themselves heard. The community was “memes”.

        • Kacarott@aussie.zone
          3·
          3 months ago

          It was a very vegan oriented meme though, and the comments were filled with lots of pro vegan comments. But what this guy said was just stupid, hence the score. To get this low I think most vegans were down voting him too.

      • uis@lemm.ee
        5·
        3 months ago

        Vegans are very wierd, but anti-gmo vegans have mental health problems.

  • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
    23·
    3 months ago

    i just looked at ml’s modlog to see what comment got you banned and it was “Tankies gonna tank.”

    While I was there I saw someone talking about how they thought AI art was acceptable if someone doesn’t have the spare time or money to dedicate time to getting good at art so that they can make a game people won’t reject because the art is ugly, and had an entire thread worth of comments with several paragraphs each pulled and burned because they disagreed with the moderators

    • barsquid@lemmy.world
      4·
      3 months ago

      Extreme fragility is another thing they have in common with the far-right authoritarianism fans.

    • DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      3 months ago

      While I was there I saw someone talking about how they thought AI art was acceptable if someone doesn’t have the spare time or money to dedicate time to getting good at art so that they can make a game people won’t reject because the art is ugly

      I’m sorry to bring that discussion here, but it’s been sticking in my mind. I never really understood that argument, because pretty much all the artists I know work full time for minimum wage. And I don’t think people care that much about a game’s art if the game itself is good (big reason low-poly and simplistic pixelart are so common in the indie space). On top of that, if you have the time to learn to code and to use a game engine, you probably also have time to practice art.

      I think a lot of the interest in AI art comes down to the want for art but a disinterest in the process of making art. For me, finding that initial spark is what got me on the path to drawing more often. It’s a lengthy process and it takes a while before the fruits of your labor become evident, and I think that’s what turns people off. But if you just practice occasionally, maybe sit down for 30 minutes a couple times a week and doodle some guys, you’ll notice a huge improvement in a year.

      That said, I’m not entirely against AI art. I think it can be somewhat useful for things like D&D campaigns, where you need detailed backgrounds or character portraits on the fly, or for memes (that doctor mario one comes to mind lol). But I think a lot of people use it as a crutch and as an excuse to remain apathetic about their art skills.

      • wolfshadowheart@slrpnk.net
        3·
        3 months ago

        As someone who wants to make their own game, I do not have the time to learn to code and the engine, and do my art, and do my music, and work the 3 jobs that I have.

        I want the time, but I don’t have it lol. (No, I’m not using AI because of this, I just wanted to suggest that time is valuable and so each additional skill is less time for other skills)

    • jabathekek@sopuli.xyzOP
      16·
      3 months ago

      Not exactly, it was reply to a reply that was pointing out the unsound logic of another user saying Russia will invade Turkey if Turkey invades Israel or something like that. It was basically a satellite comment affirming that users position of how stupid that is.