• Alterecho@lemmy.world
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    I hear you, but what if, and hear me out here, human beings deserve the basics of living even if they, say, lost all their money due to medical debt, education debt, credit card debt, natural disasters, and/or just plain shit luck?

    I don’t think anyone is saying that the average person looking to retire is planning on throwing millions of tax dollars around, they literally just want to live a decent quality of life. If you had to rely on something like the government when you couldn’t work any more, wouldn’t you want the same kindness?

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      1 year ago

      I bet he hates student loan forgiveness for the same reason. I paid and didn’t get it for free, why should anyone else?

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      And in those cases I can find exception. (not for CC or educational debt, you bought the ticket. Take the ride)

      But if you willfully squandered your money and/or didnt sign up for the basic 401k at work then I have no pity. I’m an engineer, I found out the other day my coworker the same age as me has just signed up for a 401k. He left 6% on the table for more than 2 decades, fuck bailing that guy out.

      I’m all for a decent quality of living, just not on my back because you didnt do anything to deserve it.

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        No but like that’s the point - the basic human decency thing means that it’s basic, inherent and needs no qualifiers. Even people you disagree with are still people who have inner lives all their own. They don’t deserve to starve and die just because they didn’t play some arbitrary money game we decided was important however many centuries ago the right way.

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        If you think simply working your whole life isn’t enough to deserve a comfortable retirement, you’re a despicaple sack of shit