• leisesprecher@feddit.org
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    3 months ago

    That’s actually the really sad story here.

    Every “experimental” regime was either toppled (Chile) or had to align with the USSR (Cuba) to survive. There was never a real attempt at democratic socialist politics without interference from superpowers.

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        3 months ago

        Of course, but most governments are allowed to mostly be sovereign.

        Sweden or Australia play ball on their own, no need for a coup here.

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          3 months ago

          Lol, what? Australia is a US lackee more than anywhere else. And the CIA was definitely involved in the Whitlam sacking.

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            For real, the US committed a coup in Australia with Whitlam. They don’t constrain the CIA to just poor countries.

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          Idk, but I feel like Olof Palme (PM of Sweden) def got murdered by the USA for his criticism on the Vietnam War. Or by South Africa for his criticism on apartheid.

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          most governments are allowed to mostly be sovereign

          Generally speaking, sovereign governments achieve that sovereignty through military might or the inability of would-be rulers to rule them, not by simply being “allowed” to govern themselves by neighbors.

          The USA did not invent power.

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      3 months ago

      All Socialism is democratic, including Cuba and the USSR. Trying to reform the system along Socialist lines from within the system like Allende is why he sadly failed and was couped by the US Empire.

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        3 months ago

        This is a non sequitur. It doesn’t follow that Allende choosing reform over revolution is what resulted in the US interference. The US has been known to interfere in revolutionary movements as well.

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        3 months ago

        The US tried to invade Cuba as well, and tried to kill Castro, several times. That’s ultimately why he did align with the USSR - choosing the bully that’s slightly more on your side.