Another detail about the myth you have to understand, in addition to all the sexual harassment of a child, is that Narcissus is a rape baby. He was born because Cephissus raped Liriope. That’s his background for understanding the world of love. He exists because of an act of cruelty, which he is not old enough to distinguish from the sexual harassment he constantly suffers as a child because he was born pretty. Of course someone from that background, who has no feelings of love of his own, would end up resenting the very concept. I believe Narcissus was justified in telling Ameinias to kill himself, Ameinias was a pedophile and he was sexually abusing Narcissus with his harassment.
The thing it has to do with his asexuality is that he lacks the natural positive context for sex that comes with being allosexual. Most rape babies grow up, start having sexual thoughts, and are forced to come to an acceptance of sex. Narcissus has zero positive experience with sex. There’s nothing to counter his association between sex and his mother’s rape. That’s explains why he’s rude to people who sexually harass him. I thought that context might be helpful, since the other person in this thread is saying that he’s evil for not loving anyone.
You’re still attributing sexuality to trauma. That is not how this works. Aromanticism and Asexuality are innate sexualities, what you are describing is literally a trauma response.
This is the same sort of nonsense that had people believing lesbianism was due to a “bad man”
No I’m not, pay attention. I’m saying he was born asexual due to random chance. You’re mixing up causes and effects.
Asexuality plus trauma equals telling sexual abusers to kill themselves. That’s what I’m saying. In this argument, sexuality is a cause, not an effect. You’re saying I’m arguing his sexuality is an effect, but that’s not true. I’m saying his sexuality is the cause of him telling Ameinias to kill himself. Pay attention.
Ameinias though, was persistent and time after time he was rejected by Narcissus. One final rejection though would occur, and Narcissus would present the spurned Ameinias with a sword. Ameinias would commit suicide, falling on the sword, on the very doorway of Narcissus’ home.
Before he fell on the sword though, Ameinias prayed to the goddess Nemesis to avenge him. Nemesis heard the prayer, and cursed Narcissus so that Narcissus fell in love with own reflection in a pool of water.
The 24th; in Thespeia of Boeotia (a city not far from Helikon) a child was born, Narcissus, very handsome and dismissive of both Eros and lovers. While all the other lovers tried and gave up, Ameinias kept insisting and beseeching. Narcissus did not yield and sent him a sword instead. He did away with himself at Narcissus’ doorway, after beseeching the god to avenge him.
So far in this conversation you’ve mistaken my account of Narcissus’ asexuality, moved the goalposts when I pointed out your mistake, made apology for child sexual abuse, and been dead wrong about Narcissus telling Ameinias the sexual abuser to off himself. You suck. You don’t know anything about Greek mythology, and you should have held your judgements until you understood the source material. You’ve just been lurching from lie to lie in this conversation trying to cover for your previous CSA apologism and ineptitude. Give it up. Let go of your massive ego and admit you were wrong.
You right wing trolls always want to find some excuse to say us leftists are the real bigots. So on your way to erase asexuals, demand children get into sexual relationships, and make apology for sexual harassers, you have to include some quip about your made up 4D mental gymnastics that say us asexuals are evil for admitting that one of our own might tell a sexual abuser to go commit unalive.
So although you won’t admit it upsets you when I say this, I will still offend you with the statement “asexual people deserve to be allowed to live.”
I am not right wing. I am not erasing asexuals. I I’m literally a grey demi ace.
The fact that you literally cannot conceive of someone interprting a literal thousand year old myth differently from you without not only demonising them, but creating an entire structure around it is severely worrying.
The myths say Narcissus rejected Eros and all lovers. Ancient Greeks didn’t have the word “asexual”. Expecting them to describe things in modern language is a failure of your ability to interpret things from their point of view and understand cultural differences. You’re holding ancient peoples to an impossible standard. The work of a historian or archaeologist is to understand ancient cultures well enough to interpret their words, and not to take everything literally.
There is no evidence that Narcissus was allosexual. What you’re doing is treating straight as the default, and demanding an unreasonable standard of proof to confirm that a character is queer. You’ve internalised queerphobia. And the reason I was aggressive with you, is because you began by attacking me and calling me queerphobic. You seem to have calmed down, so now let’s talk facts. Narcissus displays zero evidence of any sexual or romantic desires in the text, except for when he’s being cursed by a god who was told to make him love.
Another detail about the myth you have to understand, in addition to all the sexual harassment of a child, is that Narcissus is a rape baby. He was born because Cephissus raped Liriope. That’s his background for understanding the world of love. He exists because of an act of cruelty, which he is not old enough to distinguish from the sexual harassment he constantly suffers as a child because he was born pretty. Of course someone from that background, who has no feelings of love of his own, would end up resenting the very concept. I believe Narcissus was justified in telling Ameinias to kill himself, Ameinias was a pedophile and he was sexually abusing Narcissus with his harassment.
what on earth does that have to do with your belief he’s aroace.
Do you think aroace people are such due to trauma and abuse? You sound incredibly erasing.
The thing it has to do with his asexuality is that he lacks the natural positive context for sex that comes with being allosexual. Most rape babies grow up, start having sexual thoughts, and are forced to come to an acceptance of sex. Narcissus has zero positive experience with sex. There’s nothing to counter his association between sex and his mother’s rape. That’s explains why he’s rude to people who sexually harass him. I thought that context might be helpful, since the other person in this thread is saying that he’s evil for not loving anyone.
You’re still attributing sexuality to trauma. That is not how this works. Aromanticism and Asexuality are innate sexualities, what you are describing is literally a trauma response.
This is the same sort of nonsense that had people believing lesbianism was due to a “bad man”
No I’m not, pay attention. I’m saying he was born asexual due to random chance. You’re mixing up causes and effects.
Asexuality plus trauma equals telling sexual abusers to kill themselves. That’s what I’m saying. In this argument, sexuality is a cause, not an effect. You’re saying I’m arguing his sexuality is an effect, but that’s not true. I’m saying his sexuality is the cause of him telling Ameinias to kill himself. Pay attention.
That didn’t happen but it’s rather telling you think that aroaces run around telling people to kill themselves.
Well we do. I’m ace and I’ve told a rapist to kill themself. It’s the right thing to do with rapists. Anyway, you want sources?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameinias_(mythology)
https://www.greeklegendsandmyths.com/ameinias.html
https://topostext.org/work/489
So far in this conversation you’ve mistaken my account of Narcissus’ asexuality, moved the goalposts when I pointed out your mistake, made apology for child sexual abuse, and been dead wrong about Narcissus telling Ameinias the sexual abuser to off himself. You suck. You don’t know anything about Greek mythology, and you should have held your judgements until you understood the source material. You’ve just been lurching from lie to lie in this conversation trying to cover for your previous CSA apologism and ineptitude. Give it up. Let go of your massive ego and admit you were wrong.
You right wing trolls always want to find some excuse to say us leftists are the real bigots. So on your way to erase asexuals, demand children get into sexual relationships, and make apology for sexual harassers, you have to include some quip about your made up 4D mental gymnastics that say us asexuals are evil for admitting that one of our own might tell a sexual abuser to go commit unalive.
So although you won’t admit it upsets you when I say this, I will still offend you with the statement “asexual people deserve to be allowed to live.”
I do mean this very sincerely: Please seek help.
I am not right wing. I am not erasing asexuals. I I’m literally a grey demi ace.
The fact that you literally cannot conceive of someone interprting a literal thousand year old myth differently from you without not only demonising them, but creating an entire structure around it is severely worrying.
The myths say Narcissus rejected Eros and all lovers. Ancient Greeks didn’t have the word “asexual”. Expecting them to describe things in modern language is a failure of your ability to interpret things from their point of view and understand cultural differences. You’re holding ancient peoples to an impossible standard. The work of a historian or archaeologist is to understand ancient cultures well enough to interpret their words, and not to take everything literally.
There is no evidence that Narcissus was allosexual. What you’re doing is treating straight as the default, and demanding an unreasonable standard of proof to confirm that a character is queer. You’ve internalised queerphobia. And the reason I was aggressive with you, is because you began by attacking me and calling me queerphobic. You seem to have calmed down, so now let’s talk facts. Narcissus displays zero evidence of any sexual or romantic desires in the text, except for when he’s being cursed by a god who was told to make him love.