How about instead of pointing your finger at those at the bottom, aim it instead at those running the deliberately corrupt system, manipulating the media and propagandising the population, to the point where they can get shit like that passed without the majority of the public actually supporting it?
People’s lack of knowledge isn’t a great argument. The information was available but other chose to listen to the officials.
Imagine you are laying on bed and on TV was a fire chief. They are giving a speech about fire not being a concern. Upstairs, your neighbor is yelling fire! What do you do? You seem more information to determine what is true. People have lost the skill and become extremely lazy.
I know it sucks looking shit up all the time. Believe me, I live in the US. Our TV news media is tabloids and rating chasers, from national to local. It sucks, but the facts are still reported by hard working investigators. Do I have to cross reference owners of the companies and additional sources? Yes, but it is on me to decided what is right in my eyes and vote accordingly.
Some voters knew brexit was bs and still voted for different reasons. 72% turnout for the vote. Meaning 28% decided they were fine either way.
That story (and narrative) is somewhat disingenuous though. The official vote, and thus the will of the British people, was to leave. To say that’s wrong because people didn’t understand what their vote meant or weren’t shown how they should register really speaks more to how poorly the remain campaigns communicated the seriousness of the referendum and what it would mean to cast a leave vote or to not vote at all.
Look, I think it was a poor choice for the UK to leave the EU. And as an American I get how frustrating it is when electoral systems mask what polling shows for a verity of reasons. But official elections are the source of truth in the democratic processes we have and to claim the results are false is dangerous whether it’s for brexit in the UK or for a president in the US.
The official vote, and thus the will of the British people
Yeah, because that particular referendum isn’t notorious for SPECTACULAR amounts of disinformation from far right groups both domestic and foreign! Everyone had all important information available to them, none of it buried in a mountain of deliberately fraudulent garbage!
To say that’s wrong because people didn’t understand what their vote meant or weren’t shown how they should register really speaks more to how poorly the remain campaigns communicated the seriousness of the referendum and what it would mean to cast a leave vote or to not vote at all.
Wow, way to victim blame!
Yes, the Remain campaign dropped the ball, but to put the blame entirely on the voters and the ones trying inexpertly to avoid disaster and none on all the crooks successfully gaslighting the public is fucking asinine if not deliberately obtuse.
But official elections are the source of truth in the democratic processes we have and to claim the results are false is dangerous whether it’s for brexit in the UK or for a president in the US.
With apologies to Matthew Perry, could you BE any more of a “never doubt the system, the system is flawless or nothing matters” neoliberal?! 🤦
It is undisputable fact that a minority of the voting population voted to leave.
Acting like we must respect a deliberately corrupt process as if it’s some undisputable truth, even when all evidence points to it not only being false, but heavily manipulated is the epitome of bootlicking, and plays a significantly bigger part in maintaining the corrupt status quo and the power of those who benefit from it than any vote does.
Most Brits didn’t.
How about instead of pointing your finger at those at the bottom, aim it instead at those running the deliberately corrupt system, manipulating the media and propagandising the population, to the point where they can get shit like that passed without the majority of the public actually supporting it?
People’s lack of knowledge isn’t a great argument. The information was available but other chose to listen to the officials.
Imagine you are laying on bed and on TV was a fire chief. They are giving a speech about fire not being a concern. Upstairs, your neighbor is yelling fire! What do you do? You seem more information to determine what is true. People have lost the skill and become extremely lazy.
I know it sucks looking shit up all the time. Believe me, I live in the US. Our TV news media is tabloids and rating chasers, from national to local. It sucks, but the facts are still reported by hard working investigators. Do I have to cross reference owners of the companies and additional sources? Yes, but it is on me to decided what is right in my eyes and vote accordingly.
Some voters knew brexit was bs and still voted for different reasons. 72% turnout for the vote. Meaning 28% decided they were fine either way.
Evil prevails when good men do nothing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit
That story (and narrative) is somewhat disingenuous though. The official vote, and thus the will of the British people, was to leave. To say that’s wrong because people didn’t understand what their vote meant or weren’t shown how they should register really speaks more to how poorly the remain campaigns communicated the seriousness of the referendum and what it would mean to cast a leave vote or to not vote at all.
Look, I think it was a poor choice for the UK to leave the EU. And as an American I get how frustrating it is when electoral systems mask what polling shows for a verity of reasons. But official elections are the source of truth in the democratic processes we have and to claim the results are false is dangerous whether it’s for brexit in the UK or for a president in the US.
Yeah, because that particular referendum isn’t notorious for SPECTACULAR amounts of disinformation from far right groups both domestic and foreign! Everyone had all important information available to them, none of it buried in a mountain of deliberately fraudulent garbage!
Wow, way to victim blame!
Yes, the Remain campaign dropped the ball, but to put the blame entirely on the voters and the ones trying inexpertly to avoid disaster and none on all the crooks successfully gaslighting the public is fucking asinine if not deliberately obtuse.
With apologies to Matthew Perry, could you BE any more of a “never doubt the system, the system is flawless or nothing matters” neoliberal?! 🤦
At no point did I claim the results were false.
It is undisputable fact that a minority of the voting population voted to leave.
Acting like we must respect a deliberately corrupt process as if it’s some undisputable truth, even when all evidence points to it not only being false, but heavily manipulated is the epitome of bootlicking, and plays a significantly bigger part in maintaining the corrupt status quo and the power of those who benefit from it than any vote does.
So most people officially didn’t care either way. That doesn’t make it better.