The leaders of the Democratic National Committee announced they plan to learn absolutely nothing from their embarrassing loss to President-elect Donald Trump.
Why are all you fools like “HA! BY NOT VOTING I SURE SHOWED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY”?
you played YOURSELVES. You’re the one that’s gonna suffer not the party. It’s like you shot yourself just to spite Democrats, and you don’t realize that it’s you who is fucked, not the Democratic party
Also the campaign was bad. Not a soul here on lemmy or anywhere else is going to personally out-message a national campaign. People are obviously more enthusiastic to vote for something than to vote against something else, and that’s what it came down to.
Be mad at your party, they threw this election right before your eyes and you plugged your ears and went “lalalala! trump voter says what!” when we tried to tell you that you needed to pressure them to do more or they were going to lose anyways.
They want progressives to be both a small minority they can ignore, but also 17 million people?!
That would make them 20% of the party…
If 20% of your own party can out message your own campaign, then it’s a shit campaign. Even before factoring in the billion plus dollars you compromised the party platform to raise and the fact that the opponent is trump.
We can’t keep letting the DNC be the only other option. They’re clearly not capable of it.
You aren’t going to like this, but there just isn’t a reason to vote for Democrats if they aren’t going to oppose the Republicans on anything but the personality of Donald Trump.
Sure, they give us lip service, they even throw in goodies once in a while! You get all warm and fuzzy imagining all the things you can “move them” on, but even if they do “listen” to you, (seriously, you guys didn’t even like their platform, and you’re the ones loyal to them. Whose votes are they earning if not yours??) they get challenged and they throw their hands up and say “guess there’s nothing that could be done” and Republicans get whatever they want anyways.
It’s the same outcome, this one just makes you feel bad and dare I say it might actually move you to act.
Again with the “YOU” aren’t gonna like this. No man it’s you voters who fucked yourselves. The Democratic party is gonna survive and it’s politicians aren’t gonna get poorer. It’s you who suffers
I voted third party thank you very much. Trump voters voted for trump. Harris voters voted for Harris. Third party voters voted for third parties. The democrats ran an awful candidate and then have the audacity to whine bitch moan and scream about how it’s voters fault that they ran a shit ass candidate.
2016 all over again. Trump would of won 2020 too if covid never happened. The democrats are a decaying corpse of a political party and need to be replaced.
Doing the same thing over and over, failing, and expecting it to somehow work if you just do it harder next time is fucking madness.
DECADES OF NEOLIBERALISM CREATED THE MATERIAL CONDITIONS FOR FASCISM TO TAKE ROOT.
Lol the third party candidates are also anti Palestine. That’s why you should not make another country’s war, your one issue election in your own country. Especially when every candidate is against you. All you did was allow the worse one to win, insuring the destruction of Palestine which is now on your hands. Way to support genocide
Whatever. I’m done arguing with you Americans. I used to think you guys were stupid, now I know you’re actually fascists. You’ve collectively become the dumbest people on earth
Lol, you’re not even American and you’re arguing about this? Do you even know how the electoral college works? Do you know how any of our government structure works?!
If you took every single third party vote across the country and gave all of them to Harris in just the swing states (some democracy we’ve got…) trump still would have won, in a landslide no less. And still won the senate, and it looks like the house is still projected to go Republican as well.
I’m a Vermonter. Vermont was going in a landslide to Harris (president), sanders (senate), and Scott (governor) no matter who I voted for on any of those lines. I voted third party in all three of those races (I once worked for the sanders campaign in 2015 but I’m so tired of his milquetoast bullshit as of late) and then in other local races it was a split ticket. For example, Vermonts Republican running for state treasurer wants to divest state pensions from blackrock. Meanwhile, the democrat incumbent just gave typical mealymouthed democrat party platitudes that were completely meaningless. The Republican in that race got my vote because they earned it.
If standing against fascism doesn’t bring the leftists to vote, you’re doomed. And AGAIN, you only fucked yourselves. The Democratic party isn’t gonna suffer, YOU are.
Ah ok that’s why you just stood off to the side and allowed fascism to win? The Democratic party didn’t end fascism, so you may as well join the fascists?
Well they might have turned out and voted down ticket and showed us what candidates and policies did motivate them but you told them their votes would be worthless if they didn’t specifically vote for Kamala so they stayed home.
Why are all you fools like “HA! BY NOT VOTING I SURE SHOWED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY”?
you played YOURSELVES. You’re the one that’s gonna suffer not the party. It’s like you shot yourself just to spite Democrats, and you don’t realize that it’s you who is fucked, not the Democratic party
Also the campaign was bad. Not a soul here on lemmy or anywhere else is going to personally out-message a national campaign. People are obviously more enthusiastic to vote for something than to vote against something else, and that’s what it came down to.
Be mad at your party, they threw this election right before your eyes and you plugged your ears and went “lalalala! trump voter says what!” when we tried to tell you that you needed to pressure them to do more or they were going to lose anyways.
Right?
They want progressives to be both a small minority they can ignore, but also 17 million people?!
That would make them 20% of the party…
If 20% of your own party can out message your own campaign, then it’s a shit campaign. Even before factoring in the billion plus dollars you compromised the party platform to raise and the fact that the opponent is trump.
We can’t keep letting the DNC be the only other option. They’re clearly not capable of it.
You aren’t going to like this, but there just isn’t a reason to vote for Democrats if they aren’t going to oppose the Republicans on anything but the personality of Donald Trump.
Sure, they give us lip service, they even throw in goodies once in a while! You get all warm and fuzzy imagining all the things you can “move them” on, but even if they do “listen” to you, (seriously, you guys didn’t even like their platform, and you’re the ones loyal to them. Whose votes are they earning if not yours??) they get challenged and they throw their hands up and say “guess there’s nothing that could be done” and Republicans get whatever they want anyways.
It’s the same outcome, this one just makes you feel bad and dare I say it might actually move you to act.
Again with the “YOU” aren’t gonna like this. No man it’s you voters who fucked yourselves. The Democratic party is gonna survive and it’s politicians aren’t gonna get poorer. It’s you who suffers
I bet your solution is to just vote harder for the same fucking assholes who are fucking us all over! That will show them!
Stupid stupid stupid.
Yeah your solution of not voting at all and allowing Trump to win is a much better option lol
I voted third party thank you very much. Trump voters voted for trump. Harris voters voted for Harris. Third party voters voted for third parties. The democrats ran an awful candidate and then have the audacity to whine bitch moan and scream about how it’s voters fault that they ran a shit ass candidate.
2016 all over again. Trump would of won 2020 too if covid never happened. The democrats are a decaying corpse of a political party and need to be replaced.
Doing the same thing over and over, failing, and expecting it to somehow work if you just do it harder next time is fucking madness.
DECADES OF NEOLIBERALISM CREATED THE MATERIAL CONDITIONS FOR FASCISM TO TAKE ROOT.
You voted the way Trump wanted you to, way to go fascist
Don’t you have homework to do in your parents basement?
That’s not how voting works, but given I’m probably arguing with a child I’m not surprised you don’t understand how voting works.
I can’t in good consciousness vote for genociders, so I voted third party, my only anti genocide option.
CRY ABOUT IT.
Lol the third party candidates are also anti Palestine. That’s why you should not make another country’s war, your one issue election in your own country. Especially when every candidate is against you. All you did was allow the worse one to win, insuring the destruction of Palestine which is now on your hands. Way to support genocide
Nice circular logic there bud. You late for after school debate class? Is mom checking your homework?
Whatever. I’m done arguing with you Americans. I used to think you guys were stupid, now I know you’re actually fascists. You’ve collectively become the dumbest people on earth
Lol, you’re not even American and you’re arguing about this? Do you even know how the electoral college works? Do you know how any of our government structure works?!
If you took every single third party vote across the country and gave all of them to Harris in just the swing states (some democracy we’ve got…) trump still would have won, in a landslide no less. And still won the senate, and it looks like the house is still projected to go Republican as well.
I’m a Vermonter. Vermont was going in a landslide to Harris (president), sanders (senate), and Scott (governor) no matter who I voted for on any of those lines. I voted third party in all three of those races (I once worked for the sanders campaign in 2015 but I’m so tired of his milquetoast bullshit as of late) and then in other local races it was a split ticket. For example, Vermonts Republican running for state treasurer wants to divest state pensions from blackrock. Meanwhile, the democrat incumbent just gave typical mealymouthed democrat party platitudes that were completely meaningless. The Republican in that race got my vote because they earned it.
The entitlement of libs is unreal.
And the genocide will be worse as a result. Congratulations?
Can’t kill already dead people. They’re both killers, it’s hard to be worse than biden/Harris are currently supporting.
Really felt the need to embody that headline huh.
The voters must come to the party, not the other way around.
With that attitude you can enjoy losing 2028 as well. The fucking entitlement.
So you’re saying we should all make our own party? With blackjack and hookers?
Well that would be a lot more fun while being just as effective as the Democratic party, so why not?
If standing against fascism doesn’t bring the leftists to vote, you’re doomed. And AGAIN, you only fucked yourselves. The Democratic party isn’t gonna suffer, YOU are.
They’ve had four years to deal with the fascism problem and so far they’ve done Jack shit.
Ah ok that’s why you just stood off to the side and allowed fascism to win? The Democratic party didn’t end fascism, so you may as well join the fascists?
I voted third party. What are the democrats doing to fight fascism other than… courting fascists themselves?
You guys really are fucked. I thought just the right way stupid in your country but it’s all of you. And you guys love fascism. You facilitated it.
That’s the argument for replacing them…
Not enabling them and giving them what they want.
Like, you’re literally arguing that we should negotiate with the people holding our country hostage
Idiots, you’re the only ones suffering. The Democratic party will be fine, you won’t. You had more to lose by not voting.
I voted for Jill Stein since I live in a pure blue state and my vote doesn’t count anyway
At least the non-voters got to do something useful with the time they saved.
We’ll show them next year for sure. Maybe even get our name printed on the ballot
You know there are local elections that matter more right? Thats where most of us are these days.
Well they might have turned out and voted down ticket and showed us what candidates and policies did motivate them but you told them their votes would be worthless if they didn’t specifically vote for Kamala so they stayed home.
The typical liberal condescension and assumptions cease to amuse.