• SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Which referendums are you referring to and does any country besides Russia or North Korea accept the results?

    literally the consent “isn’t there somebody you forgot to ask?” meme but with America

    but this is also a very funny way of imagining how self-determination and independence movements work a lot of the time. Imagine a world where a newfound country breaks free from an existing one and then that newfound country sees that 90% of the UN, including the country they just broke free from, doesn’t recognize them for doing that and they’re just like “Well, shucks. I guess we’re going back and re-joining the country again, because these people aren’t ready to accept us yet!”

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      That’s all on you for misunderstanding how being a country works. It doesn’t matter that you hold elections but that you hold the monopoly of violence over the population. That’s what gets you recognition. Color me shocked that you don’t even know how the most rudimentary geopolitics works …

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        What are you saying? The Ukrainian state held a monopoly of violence over the people of the Donbass and used it regularly since the coup in 2014. These people in turn declared independence in order to free themselves from this violence, but the Ukrainian state wouldn’t have it. The only way to counter violent suppression is with violence. These people know this and it’s why they invited Russian military intervention to their cause.

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          It wasn’t a coup it was a revolution.

          The Russo-Ukrainian War is an ongoing international conflict between Russia, alongside Russian-backed separatists, and Ukraine, which began in February 2014.

          Are you saying they ::gasp:: used violence during a WAR? ThEy UsEd vIolEnCe DuRIng A wAr?!?

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            It wasn’t a coup it was a revolution.

            This is just copium. Whatever you believe, the result was a fascist Ukranian state that supports literal Nazis shelling civilians. What were they supposed to do, vote harder? Oh right, their voting rights were suppressed and their political parties banned from running in elections. At a certain point, when faced with violent suppression, violence become your only option.

            Are you saying they ::gasp:: used violence during a WAR? ThEy UsEd vIolEnCe DuRIng A wAr?!?

            You’re the one who brought up violence. I’m simply trying to present the world to you as it is instead of through the filter of liberal propoganda that you so happily slurp up daily. That boot is so deep down your throat, maybe you should start an only fans.

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              It’s copium but it’s also provably wrong; the US came out and admitted they got Porochenko elected.

              but we don’t keep up with geopolitics apparently, while this dude is stuck in the 70s lol 🤓

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                Oh 💯. I was just pointing out that the human rights abuses committed by the fascist Ukranian state are unjustifiable regardless.

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                You’re the ones that think Russia is still a bastion of Marxism. Get a clue, the Soviet Union is gone and it’s not coming back anytime soon.

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                    Color me shocked. Communists support non marxist militaristic imperialism over Western economic imperialism & Capitalism wins either way.

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          A group that already has a presence in the UN? I was talking about how recognition works for countries. But low and behold that nuance escapes you. It’s not my fault that u & 72 don’t understand how international recognition and civil wars work.

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            It doesn’t matter that you hold elections but that you hold the monopoly of violence over the population. That’s what gets you recognition.

            You’re contradicting yourself you’re contradictinnnggggg yourself hahaha it’s okay to admit you exhausted your line of arguing and can’t defend anything more. Come to the tankie side, it’s not so bad. We’re right all the time.

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              It’s not my fault you don’t know how occupation works. I’m specifically talking about a separatists Donbas that is able to fend off both Ukraine and Russia assaults could obtain recognition by the international community through securing it’s borders. Of course you intentionally misunderstood what I’m saying at all times and declare victory by being a dumbass

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                But Donbass doesn’t want to fight off Russia, they voted to join them, remember?

                Your trolling is weak, please do better. You’re entertaining but you need to step up your game.

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                  Never met a true US civil war Confederate supporter, the south had their own government & constitution and voted to leave the union. I guess according to your logic the northern federal government was in the wrong in order to preserve the union cuz the south had elections & elections.

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                    DID THE SLAVES VOTE IN THOSE ELECTIONS?

                    If Texas today had a vote to secede then they’d have absolutely every right to secede since the current electoral laws allow for the will of the people to be expressed.

                    The fact you didn’t stop to think about the slaves is because you’re a fucking cracker.

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        You are changing the question, since Russia’s violence does make Donbas part of Russia [to follow your logic] anway, but 72 was talking about democratic legitimacy and you damn well know it.