*really opened up a can of worms with this one haha

  • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
    4117·
    1 month ago

    You receive:

    • A fascist government

    • Loss of sovereignty

    'Cause the Greens aren’t going to win, but they will make it easier for the Conservatives to win.

    • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.mlEnglish
      7·
      1 month ago

      This relies on the misunderstanding that fascism is a movement let by individuals due to their ideals that can be prevented by other individuals with other ideals. In reality fascism is the reaction of one part of the ruling class to the falling rate of profit in which it pits one section of the working class against another in order to create a cheaper and more exploitable labor pool. Voting for the “not fascist” party doesn’t solve this because the rate of profit will continue to fall and some section of the ruling class will always recognize that there is no other solution to that problem that does not remove them from power.

      • u-vexıı@lemmy.caEnglish
        125·
        1 month ago

        Is anything they said false? Does this comment help anything? Do you feel better for having made it?

          • Em Adespoton@lemmy.ca
            113·
            1 month ago

            Voting in a way that leads to the Conservatives getting a majority government leads to fascism. Due to the combination of a party system and first past the post voting, unless you can convince Liberal and NDP voters to all vote Green, voting for them likely means that the party competing against the Conservatives in your riding won’t get your vote, which means the vote has virtually no impact.

            That does depend on your riding though; in ridings where there’s no chance of Conservatives winning, sure, vote Green.

            And then there’s ridings like mine where the Conservatives are almost guaranteed to win and Greens aren’t even running a candidate. I’d run myself, but at this point I’d rather take the slim chance that the Liberals can finally unseat the Conservative candidate who’s been our MP for over a decade.

            Greens have a great platform. And that means that everyone with money and power is going to do all they can to keep them from winning seats.

              • Em Adespoton@lemmy.ca
                8·
                1 month ago

                Actually, I was disagreeing with it in a thoughtful manner instead of just discounting you or your argument altogether.

                I used to vote by your logic. Then I changed strategy when I saw how the system was set up to favour bad and worse.

                So now I locally push for proportional representation and encourage people to support the Green party, while also voting “strategically” where that term means voting for the least bad candidate who has a chance of winning at the Federal level.

                At the municipal and provincial level? I vote Green or whatever the nearest option is.

    • sbv@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      7·
      1 month ago

      It’s typically a question of who is available in the riding to run. And then they need to make it through the vetting process. And then they need to collect the signatures and deposit. And then they need to fill out the paperwork and submit it to Elections Canada.

      It’s a lot of effort, just to be a name on a ballot.

    • Sturgist@lemmy.ca
      2·
      1 month ago

      They’re running a candidate in mine…but I’m not sure that’s actually better. Guy has no experience, which isn’t necessarily horrible…gotta start somewhere. He has no internet presence other than his green party page. His green party page is only accessable by web search, it’s not linked to anywhere on the green party page. There’s almost no blurb on his page. One line saying that he grew up in Vancouver, and then a paragraph of literally just the party standard line…my riding isn’t in Vancouver… it’s close by, but a different city.

    • Arkouda@lemmy.ca
      178·
      1 month ago

      Can you imagine how many votes a party could get if every single person who said “I don’t want to burn my vote” voted how they wanted instead of being convinced to vote “strategically”?

      • Zorque@lemmy.worldEnglish
        142·
        1 month ago

        Can you imagine how wonderful the world would be if the world worked how we hoped it did instead of how it actually did?

        • Arkouda@lemmy.ca
          25·
          1 month ago

          Please explain, how does the world actually work?

          I have some free time while deep diving my riding’s Liberal Candidate so don’t feel rushed to respond.

      • Claymore@lemm.ee
        23·
        1 month ago

        sorry

        edit: As a compromise, I’ll go support our local proportional representation movement, and the points provided are adequate that I’ll vote green.

        I hate first past the post, because I wish I didn’t have to grapple with dilemma this in the first place.