• ziggurism@lemmy.world
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    I mean, do you think Islamophobia is rooted in theological disputes? The Christian nationalists who find common ground between Catholics, evangelicals, Eastern Orthodox, and Jews hate Muslims because of their almost indistinguishable tenets of faith?

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      Yep. While technically being an Islamophobe isn’t racist, odds are the reason one is an Islamophobe has very little to do with them being Islamic.

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        I hate Islam. I’m not racist.

        I also hate any religion that states unequivocally in their holy book that certain classes of people are less than others… which is a core tenet of Islamic and Christian beliefs.

        I couldn’t actually tell you if it’s in the Tanakh, but it very well wouldn’t surprise me.

        Any positive experience and interaction I have with a Muslim is in spite of their beliefs and their religion being a bit backwards in places.

        Edit: I also hate any religion that preaches that people are inherently evil or unworthy of salvation… that shit is toxic af.

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        Also, the hateful person does not care to distinguish between race, ethnicity, religion, or whatever other aspect they decide to hate. They have classified some attributes as making people not like them and hateable. The framework of analysis you are using is immaterial to the racist. That is, they do care that they are Islamic, just not with any subtlety.

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        Neat. What about the aforementioned religious nutjobs? You think they’re engaged in sincere criticism of specific textual and cultural dogma? Because generally it looks like they’re just being prejudiced assholes.

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          No different. Their religions are all trash. Do you have one? It’s trash too. The only culture of religion is to do what you’re told and not ask questions. That’s trash.

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      Uh, you sure about the Jews there bud? I don’t recall many Christian nationalists having a particularly high opinion of Judaism. In fact I’d say they hate Jews more than they hate muslims

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        They fucking love Israel, though.

        Go on. Tell me that’s not directly about Judaism, as a religion. Tee it up for a direct comparison.

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          It’s not directly about Judaism. It’s directly about their Christian belief that the Temple needs to be rebuilt in Jerusalem for Jesus to return.

          And then all the Jews get thrown into Hell.

          They care about Israel because it’s a tool for them. The Jews can go fuck themselves once they’ve done their job as far as they’re concerned.

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            Uh huh. And their opinions about Islam aren’t really about Islam; they’re just a tool for talking about brown people. Thanks for playing along.

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              You literally said:

              Go on. Tell me that’s not directly about Judaism, as a religion.

              And I told you that and why. So I’m not sure what your deal is now.

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                    No, I’m using a comparison for illustrative purposes. This is a common rhetorical device.

                    I’m not even bitching about anything - I thanked you for doing as asked. But I didn’t actually need the comparison spelled out, because I was spelling it out, in that request. ‘It’s not directly about either religion’ is the point I was making.

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      I mean, it is the same for everyone, we all know what happens when a religion you’re not part of takes control. Religious people are simply hypocritical about it, but they’re sort of justified. The Catholics took over the USA due to immigration and it worried the protestants back then, it could very well happen with another religion.

      edit: a word

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            In my opinion the comparison to anti catholic sentiment is pretty apt. “Yeah it’s not racism. we’re just worried that they have an allegiance to a foreign pope before their own country and also Irish and Italians don’t count as white. But yeah no racism here”

            I think the OP is wrong and dumb.

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          The shift from a Protestant majority to a more diverse religious landscape, including Catholicism, began in the mid-19th century.

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      People can agree and hate each other. Both Taiwan and China agree that there is one government for the Chinese people. Two people can both in love with the same person, and an both believe that the person is amazing and should be dating exclusively. I have gotten into a few spates with my wife about how to raise our children and we both agree that we love our children and want the best. I had a roommate once where we both agreed the dishes should be done every night by one of us.

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        We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.

        -James Baldwin