People in the west should stop this madness …hek whom am I kidding ,they won’t .

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    Power within their own country, I meant, and it was abundantly clear. Also, I was talking about Western leaders in general, and even if your example is an argument against what I said it applies to only one country.

    That’s not to defend the nuclear button or the US in general. But come on, my guy. We’re talking about the power they hold over the people and how they relate to the capital class, and the US’ dodgy nuclear weapons policies honestly have little to do with that.

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      Again, you’re minimizing when faced with an inherent contradiction.

      The US is not “one country”, it is the entire security apparatus of the modern imperial core of minority nations. Every western leader is aligned with the US for legitimacy and resources. US policy dictates the global climate. The rise of reactionary fascist politics in Western Europe under Trump was not a coincidence.

      Would it surprise you to learn that the DPRK has repeatedly petioned the US to mutually dearm its nukes and the US has refused? The nuclear “button” is the entire point of this thread. It is also the way the US threatens the integrity of the entire world.

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        None of that has to do with what I’m talking about. Fucking of course the US is the head of the bloc of capitalist countries and fucking of course they use the threat of violence to uphold their global position of power. But none of that relates to what I said in any meaningful way.

        You could argue about how the US is bad until the cows come home and I’d most likely agree with all of it, but you’re talking past my basic point here.

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          Your initial point is that Putin has more power in his own country than any other western leader.

          I provided a clear example of why that isn’t the case and is related to OP’s original topic. POTUS can fire nukes with zero oversight, Putin cannot.

          You flipped out when faced with this and deflected my point. You didn’t even reiterate your “basic point”

          Nice going, liberal.

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            My original comment was already about how Western leaders and Putin relate to both the capital and the working class. Your argument against this is one power that one Western leader holds that doesn’t even relate to class relations at all.

            Like, I’m not denying the disproportionate power it gives the POTUS on the world stage, but that wasn’t what I was talking about in the first place.