I’m not sure what that says about the quality of the Memmy team or that of Reddit or both.
Maybe it’s easier if all your resources aren’t slowed down by board meetings solely for the purpose of “how can we monetize this”
That’s what happens when you put profit ahead of function. Putting the cart before the horse something something
Pretty much this. It’s crazy how bloated the app is with a 1000 ways to monetize the shit out of the user (reddit premium, reddit coins, shop, NFT???)
Like holy shit it’s unreal how bad the main app is compared to a clean experience like Apollo and Memmy
AMA Request: the kind of person who would buy a reddit NFT
Question 1: what is your damage?
This is exactly it.
It’s not about good or bad developers, it’s about priority.
“We want to make a good app experience to attract users”
Vs
“We want to make an app that shows as many ads and pulls as much user info as possible”
It’s really depressing that you can’t just build good things that people need / like because it’s not always profitable to do so. Any time money gets into the conversation it becomes a nightmare. Every bit of a project just becomes this battle for the lowest bidder and lowest quality possible to achieve a minimum viable product in a way that leads to technical debt and an unsustainable code base.
I remember when the official Reddit app released. As an avid RIF user then, I thought it was garbage. Now we’re almost 10 years later and guest what? It got worse. It’s quite an achievement, really.
Different goals. The Reddit app is trying to be good at whatever junk the Reddit owners want to shove in your face and to harvest information from you. That goal doesn’t typically align with a good user experience in the end.
I think it’s fairly obvious with what reddit did to alien blue when they bought it, that they don’t intend for the app to be user friendly or an app that people even like. They simply wanted to monetize it to hell and make it earn them the most $$$. That’s all it’s about with that company.
In case you aren’t aware, Alien Blue was the Apollo back in the day. It was the OG best third party iOS app for Reddit. Reddit bought the app and totally shit on it by removing everything good about it.
Bingo. The Reddit app wasn’t designed for UX; it was designed as an IAA engine for their ad network. I know we’re tired of the “you’re not the customer, you’re the product” adage, but reading through the Reddit for Business page, you realize that’s what you are:
https://www.redditforbusiness.com
Having lived in that whole gross mobile attribution / AdMob / CPx world for a hot minute, I’m especially appreciative of platforms that don’t all immediately race to the bottom. Cory Doctorow calls it “enshittification”. Good times.
Posted: June 23 https://www.redditforbusiness.com/blog/unlock-ad-targeting-potential
Revamping the ad group creation flow and audience manager tools
Starting this week, we are changing the way you build audiences by refreshing the ad group and audience manager creation flows. We’ve rebuilt these tools from the ground up to create a clean interface that outlines all of the targeting available to you within one flow.
While all the 3rd party API and blackout shit was going down Reddit were busy talking up their rebuilt ad manager tools, not their lack of mod tools or support improvements for their unpaid staff holding up the foundations of the platform.
It’s worse than that. Reddit BOUGHT Alien Blue, which was basically Apollo before Apollo, and was easily the inspiration for Apollo’s “Compact” view.
They HAD a product that was basically already almost Apollo and turned it into whatever the fuck it is now.
Which is possibly why Alien Blue’s API key still seems to work, and you can still browse Reddit with it if it’s on your phone.
As someone who did some UX for a touchscreen product in Healthcare, it’s 100% just boring old capitalism making real work impossible.
Any time immediate profit is put above the company “Mission Statement” (which is every time) it becomes impossible for designers to do a good job.
I was working with a broken and 90’s looking UX/UI and made a modernized Material 3 style redesign that never even got full evaluation because it “wasn’t a priority”.
They’d regularly recognize UX problems and ask for the best solution. I’d research, test, and design options, explaining how I got there, and then a non-designer from an unrelated department would say some nonsense and we’d scrap the whole thing.
It’s not surprising as the motivations are quite different. Reddit wants their app to be a shitty Facebook clone while Memmy/Lemmy focus on the user experience.
Also memmy devs aren’t bogged down by the 10 layers of corporate bullshit your average dev has to deal with.
Source: am part of corporate bullshit.
One is focused on Quality-of-Life and features, the other is a vehicle for shoving as much telemetry, ads and tracking down the user’s throat as is humanly possible.
Reddit could’ve most likely made a killing off of allowing third-party apps to operate as normal for users that had Reddit Gold, for instance. It would have been a mostly-acceptable middle ground in my view. Except they decided to instead double down on presenting wholly unreasonable licensing terms to third-party app developers.
The intent as far as I can tell was never to allow third-party apps on the ecosystem - it was to extinguish the third-party app ecosystem under the pretense of there being an alternative. The forced first-party app is critical for them to milk out as much money as they can from advertisers etc ahead of the IPO.
Good point!
Memmy > * > Reddit app
Reddit don’t want to build a good app. They want to harvest data.
They literally said so. Their goal wasn’t to collaborate with the third party apps to maybe take what they did well and compensate them, they wanted to kill them and drive traffic to their ads and data scrapers.
Fuck you, don’t give reddit the accolade of being honest.
They literally said they weren’t trying to kill third party apps. They literally said they wouldn’t do what Twitter did. They literally said any pricing would be based in reality.
Yes, this was all a lie and we now know they just wanted to kill all apps, but don’t let them look even 5% less shitty by pretending they were honest about their intentions.
I meant they said they wanted to drive traffic to their official site to sell ads and scrape data. Maybe they just said it to the Apollo dev and he leaked it? I don’t remember, but I do remember reading them saying the quiet part out loud.
No, all they said in terms of their goals was that they needed to make a profit.
Anything else, you better have a really good source, because then the Apollo dev contradicts your story
