• PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Licensed concealed carriers have a lower violent crime rate than the general public.

    Than the general public in America maybe, but legal gun owners in other countries have a violent crime rate of functionally zero, since they’re properly vetted through laws that aren’t dogshit.

    But even giving you that point, what about all the violent crime those permissive laws enable?

    Over 70% of mass shooters use legal firearms. Of the remaining, most are teenagers who took the poorly secured firearm of a family member.

    There is no magic gun fairy distributing illegal firearms. Every firearm in the hands of a criminal was either bought legally, stolen from a “responsible gun owner” who didn’t secure it, straw purchased or purchased through a loophole.

    Nevertheless, the pro-gun community opposes more robust background checks, mandatory safe storage laws or the closing of loopholes.

    And what does the public get in return? Mostly just shot because none of the pro-gun promises have come true.

    Good guys with guns intervene in 3% of shootings. The crime rate remains the same as comparable countries. The country is no more free when measured by any metric except guns. The government spies on and kills its own citizens.

    The gun laws are a failure.

    • sudo22@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      I don’t feel like writing an essay to address all your points, I don’t have the time right now I’m sorry. Ultimately it comes down to the fact the highest law (and most state constitutions) of the land gives us the inalienable right to arms. Period. (And no “well regulated” does not mean legal regulations)

      I believe we would be far better off dealing with the root of violence, like many European countries have done but gun control advocates like to only focus on gun control laws. People with financial, health, reproductive, and employment security don’t commit violent crimes. Things like labor protections, maternity/paternity leave, mandatory vacation time, physical and mental healthcare that won’t bankrupt you are some of the things that dramatically reduce all violent crime regardless of the tool used.

      Look at violent crimes in the US compared to the UK for things like murder using only the human body (ie kicks, punches, strangulation, etc), its lower per 100k in the UK and many other European countries. There’s no body control laws restricting how strong or trained your body can be, yet its lower. Its because people who’s needs are actually met don’t need to turn to or are driven to crime, our social protections in the USA suck ass and need to be fixed.

      • SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        I agree with you. Even if the US got rid of every single gun in the country we’d probably still have just as many murders. There’s something else at play here that causes us to be violent. As a general rule happy people don’t kill others. Legislation to fix our social issues would go a long way towards reducing violence, but it’s a whole lot easier to just say “guns bad”.

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          1 year ago

          Even if the US got rid of every single gun in the country we’d probably still have just as many murders.

          Absolutely not. Your odds of surviving a knife attack are an order of magnitude higher than of you are shot.

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        Yeah sounds good. How about we take your guns now and when you’ve finished building all of that, you can have them back?

        After all, your post is clearly admitting that American society isn’t fit for the near indiscriminate sale of guns to citizens.

    • Jeremy [Iowa]@midwest.social
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      1 year ago

      other countries have a violent crime rate of functionally zero

      The US isn’t far removed from homicide rates of other countries when comparing the rates.

      Ironically, you highlight the problem is violence and the drives to it over the firearms.