A while ago I talked about the Dutch socdem coalition Green/Labour and their party programme, which included a two state solution for Palestina, more money to NATO among other things.
Today the far right party FVD made their programme available, and it includes… peace talks between Russia and Ukraine, deprofitization of healthcare, political asylum to Assange and Snowden (not Manning, though, she’s trans after all), removal from EU and NATO.
MFW a far right party has LESS imperialist talking point than the ‘hope of the left’ lmao. Don’t get me wrong, there’s still fascist talks of anti-LGBTQ+ stuff and all. But fucking hell Dutch left get your shit together.
what do you mean by “LGBT agenda” then? because that’s reich-wing language you’re using.
also, no one said anything about NGOizing queer rights or combining it with neoliberalism - i was talking about the western left/commie parties.
religious bias can also come to play. orthochristians especially aren’t known to be the most supportive when it comes to queer rights. i swear, there’s probably like 1 progressive orthochristians for every 100,000 progressive muslims, that’s how fucking reactionary it comes off as.
Aaaah sorry i am not from an anglophone country like you and English isn’t my first language and i dont care what you western anglo “leftists” have to say about me. If that’s your attitude towards other comrades then you should quit blabbering about Marxism and get ready to annihilated by the 3rd worldies. I have never seen Muslims speaking positively about western LGBT movement and believe me I have met enough common Muslims in my country. But for you it doesn’t matter I guess… You live in your own bubble
Whatever, I don’t have neither time and energy to spend with an inobservant, stupid piece of shit infiltrator like you. All I will say is this: If you’ve been even remotely observant, you’ll notice that I literally come from the fucking Global South - same place where you’re from. Matter of fact, I still am in a global southern country; and neither is English my first language. Sorry that not everyone in the global south behaves and acts in the exact same fucking manner as you do, that is being a dogmatic, bigoted goddamn reactionary that wants to “annhilate” all queer people.
Not a single thing you’ve listed is in any way shape or form related to our argument. But then again, reactionaries like you weren’t born with a brain, but a fucking projector.
About Muslims: You haven’t met shit. I personally know some muslims who are all in on queer rights. Also, “Western LGBT Movement” lmao, goes to show you how well you know about Queer History. Westerners have been the ones to kill off queer culture in the global south in the past, sweetie.
Also, today I learnt Marxism is when you dominate GSRM people. Good to know. I fucking knew I shouldn’t have tried to maintain a facade of nice and civility when dealing with scum like you. At this point I’m convinced anyone who’s even remotely critical of queer movements and rights in any way shape or form is a fucking reactionary infiltrator hiding behind a cover. So thank you so much for showing me the light. Do all of us a favor and never show your filthy fash-bootlicking fucking face here ever again.
Scratch a “critic of queer rights” and a reactionary shows his face. So much for me “living in my own bubble”.
I strongly doubt you come from a global South country and even it is… It had nothing to do with any credible left wing movement. Scratch a LBGT critique… Oh sorry am I suppose to cheer for LGBT banners with long live Azov and all that shit or queer right wingers . It’s pretty hilarious I haven’t said anything offensive to LGBT people and from a few lines you got the idea that I am a “reactionary”. Queer culture in global South is very different from place to place. It’s not always rosy and it was not always rosy. Don’t just assume you speak for global South or anything close to it. You know nothing, not even a bit of people in global South. You are entitled to your own convincing. It’s not that I am eager to convince you of something. But yeah I am also convinced people like you can never ever build a proper movement or a communist party for that matter. Just go on be in your bubble, who cares what you think.
Note : I know some "muslims "… there it is… I know some muslims then majority muslims in my country will be pro LGBT. Seriously what kind of bubble do you live in? Haha
I think they mainly took offense to your use of “LGBT Agenda” which is a very common far right and reactionary dogwhistle. I don’t know if you meant it in that way but a lot of people on here are queer, and it can be pretty offensive to go slinging that stuff around. Simple clarification on what you meant when you said that was all that was needed, not a shit slinging contest.
I go by she/her. That feeling when you literally put out your pronouns but people still they/them you.
I’m not the person you’re replying to, and I don’t mean any offense, but isn’t it pretty general form to interchangeably refer to people as they/them in conversations when referring to that person non-directly no matter the pronouns? Unless they directly tell you to not do that and you keep doing it of course.
But something kind of like, “Oh, they left their phone here”, “I should ask them what they think”, “I think they’re opinion is different”.
Again, I apologize and I don’t mean any offense, but I’ve had the question for a while and it would be nice to clear it up to not make a mistake if I’ve been making one.
If someone’s pronouns are known, use them. To do otherwise is disrespectful.
That makes sense and it wouldn’t be hard for me to do, but it might be a cultural thing, but where I am people use use they/them for absolutely everyone unless requested by the person or directly specified, or they’ll use their pronouns and they/them interchangeably.
But I see what you’re trying to say, I hope I don’t come across as dismissive or not agreeing.
I apologize, I didn’t see your name, mainly just read your comment. It’s a force of habit for me online to use “they” for anyone online. I don’t mean to use “they” as an assumption of one’s gender or preferred pronoun, its just force of habit grammatically in my speech where I am from. Although I must admit it’s a little sad that when I try and educate someone on their own reactionary terminology I myself end up on the receiving end. Shows everyone’s got something to learn.