There were endless moments in season 3 that would have been solved by reaching out to the progressive Borg collective from the season 2 finale. Not to mention that a few character arcs and character development moments that just seem suspiciously absent in season 3. So, is the entirety of season 2 not cannon or am I missing something?

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      Absolutely. Thereā€™s a line in Season 3 that really stuck out to me. I canā€™t remember who it is that says it, I feel like itā€™s Raffi or Crusher, but they say ā€œNo one has heard from the Borg in 20 years.ā€ So either the events of Season 2 were extremely and heavily classified to this individual, the realization of them being a ā€˜new Borg collectiveā€™ is believed with utter certainty to the point of not even considering them Borg, or the events didnā€™t happen.

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    They acknowledge it briefly. Captain Shaw grumbled, ā€œForget all that weird shit on the Stargazer, the real Borg are still out there.ā€

    Picard Season 3 was explicitly being pitched as a TNG reunion season. They knew a lot of viewers would be jumping in mid-show, so it intentionally doesnā€™t rely heavily on the canon of the first two seasons to enjoy.

    I liked the first two seasons for what they were, but honestly I get it. Picardā€™s premise of, ā€œLegacy and new characters getting into adventures away from Starfleetā€ would have been tricky to balance with a full TNG cast reunion. Leaning into TNG Season 8 vibes made sense.

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      Thank you. This makes a lot of sense. I mean, in-universe itā€™s nuts, but out here in the real world - artistic license for a better show is a-okay in my book. Besides, itā€™s the reason I muscled through season 2 to start with.

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    Thereā€™s nothing contradictory about the seasons, and they were written and filmed back-to-back. Thereā€™s no need for a retcon.

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        All posts and comments in Daystrom Institute must be substantive and explain their reasoning. Simply declaring that a season of the show is so bad that it shouldnā€™t exist is not sufficient.

        If you want to point out specific discrepancies and argue that they are a reason to view S2 and S3 and contradictory, that would be appropriate here.

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          On the whole, i enjoyed S2, but if I was to give it a numerical rating, Iā€™d say 4/10, below average for Trek.

          One of my bigger complaints would be with how watered down the Borg Queen was in terms of threat. Weā€™ve previously seen Borg assimilation happen in mere seconds, and the assimilation of the Dr. took multiple episodes to resolve.

          As for my biggest complaint, itā€™d be the setting. A jump to the past is a nice trip for a 2 or 3 parter in Trek, but a whole season just didnā€™t jive that much for me.

          On the other hand, S3, that was some of the best NuTrek Iā€™ve seen so far.

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            I recently watched it and didnā€™t regret doing so. Picard was way more fun for me than Reddit had me thinking it was going to be.

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            A jump to the past is a nice trip for a 2 or 3 parter in Trek, but a whole season just didnā€™t jive that much for me.

            Same. To me, a sci-fi series or season set in the past just screams, ā€œSomebody is over this shit.ā€ Whether thatā€™s the actors, writers, or (most likely) the money, somebody didnā€™t want to build a bunch of god-damn sets, or get up at fuck oā€™clock to go into prosthetics, or pay for any of that nerd nonsense.

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            Honestly, I enjoyed the portrayal of the Borg Queen outside the context of the collective. She got the sort of character development that I didnā€™t know I needed. And frankly, she was practically holding S2 up after they arrived in the past.

            Then she got the villain ball and ran off with Jurati and my interest fell flat.

            The Borg Queen worked as a character. She didnā€™t work as a villain. It was impossible to balance her being a galactic level threat against a crew that had no resources, and Doyalistly wasnā€™t allowed to deal with her until Picard had time to spare to concentrate on her.

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    Not retconed per se, they just canā€™t make their mind up on what the series is and keep radically changing direction and dumping prior development and characters. Changes are often for the better and donā€™t directly contradict but thereā€™s certainly a lack of any common thought in the story theyā€™re trying to tell.

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    Well, thatā€™s a decision youā€™ll have to make for yourself. I happen to have grown up on DS9, and in my heart thereā€™s not much room for Worfā€™s Wacky Adventures on Risa; people a couple years older than me tend to have performed some personal, private retconning of at least one episode of TNGā€™s first seasonā€“if not more. And I have just finished the novel ā€œSpockā€™s World,ā€ and realized I wish Iā€™d read it years ago and some of the thingā€™s Diane Carey wrote in that exceptional book are better than the contradictory ideaā€™s Paramount officially introduced in later media.

    What season 2 of Picard means to the producers is far less important than what it means to youā€“and if it inspires you to go back and watch TNG, you may want to jump straight to Season 2 of that show, as well.