65% of U.S. adults say the way the president is elected should be changed so that the winner of the popular vote nationwide wins the presidency.

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65% of U.S. adults say the way the president is elected should be changed so that the winner of the popular vote nationwide wins the presidency.

  • random65837@lemmy.world
    225·
    1 year ago

    It’s incredibly easy to overthrow a popular vote. How many dead people have been found voting for people? How many ballots in trunks of peoples cars last couple years? Take them out, put them in, not like federal oversight works, that was proven in PA during Trump/Biden. Having the electoral college is a layer of insulation for both that, and populous states and cities controlling everything while completely taking a voice from the rest of the country. Given that the popular has only been overridden twice in two decades, it’s hardly a bitching point.

    • PizzaMan@lemmy.worldOP
      20·
      1 year ago

      How many dead people have been found voting for people? How many ballots in trunks of peoples cars last couple years?

      These are election security issues, none of which are unique to a popular vote. They can happen and have happened under our electoral collage. So this is a moot point.

      and populous states and cities controlling everything while completely taking a voice from the rest of the country

      That’s not how it works. All votes are counted equal regardless of who they are or where they are from under a popular vote. Neither cities or land votes, only people do and the system should reflect that.

      The rest of the country would actually get a say under a popular vote unlike with the electoral college. Most people don’t live in a city in a swing state, which is the only place politicians cater to.

      Given that the popular has only been overridden twice in two decades, it’s hardly a bitching point.

      That’s not the point though. The point is that all votes should be counted equally.

      And if you live in a state that is solidly blue/red then your vote is essentially meaningless. Nobody should get a bigger voice from living in a swing state, it should be everyone’s voice.

    • Unaware7013@kbin.social
      91·
      1 year ago

      Given that the popular has only been overridden twice in two decades, it’s hardly a bitching point.

      Well yeah, if you frame an argument badly of course it sounds stupid. But to properly frame the point, 2/5 elections were won while losing the popular vote, and 3/5 presidential terms would not have happened if we voted democratically (Bush won the popular vote based on being the incumbent and war fervor, which he only had because of his fraudulent win).

      60% of all presidential terms since 2000 we’re not won democraticly, but that’s not a problem for the people who can only win that way.