• MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    You won’t ever be able to overcome the ills of society alone, by yourself you’ll never be able to “break free from the fetters and find your own way” Making a better society requires coordinated collective effort. Religion bonds people together in a very rare way. You can’t get people to work together in a coordinated way without some ideal in their minds, they have to believe that their effort might not help themselves directly but might help make future civilization a better place. That takes faith of one kind or another.

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      1 year ago

      That takes faith of one kind or another.

      Bullshit. You can choose any number of career or volunteer paths that demonstrably help people or society without needing any “faith”.

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        Here’s the context of that sentence that you are quoting: “You can’t get people to work together in a coordinated way without some ideal in their minds, they have to believe that their effort might not help themselves directly but might help make future civilization a better place. That takes faith of one kind or another.”

        I was talking about getting people to work together for a better world, not an individual choice"

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            1 year ago

            “the betterment of mankind” is an intangible idea that you are choosing to believe in. That’s faith.

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              It’s very tangible. Quantifiable even. Higher literacy rates. Lower teen pregnancy. Higher incomes. Longer lifespans. Lower carbon emissions. And so on.

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      1 year ago

      Religion bonds people together in a very rare way

      It’s called brainwashing.