Israel's military on Friday called for all civilians of Gaza City, more than 1 million people, to relocate south within 24 hours, as it amassed tanks near the Gaza Strip ahead of an expected ground invasion.
Most people only agree that the murders on civilians started by Hamas were absolutely horrible and unnecessary. As for what is coming after I don’t think normal people are happy about either.
Politicians are afraid to take stances against Israel because they think their consituents are on Israel’s side. Tell them what you think, email them links they cant ignore, call them and explain you know whats up and will call them out for supporting genocide if they don’t take everything thats happened into account. It will make a difference. Its the least anyone could do. Posting on social media about your frustrations only is not enough.
Western governments are supporting Israel because they just got over a thousand people butchered.
They’re also asking Israel to show restraint in Palestine. Even the US, Israel’s chief arm’s dealer, is telling them not to do war crimes. Is it meaningless chin music? Of course. But it’s not necessarily an “endorsement”.
If your friend sees his kid get grievously hurt, you support him. When he gets his gun, you try to talk him down. Now, the problem in this story is: you gave him that gun.
I don’t think the west is endorsing genocide.
I do think that, if it really comes to real actual genocide: They armed it.
edit: I thought that weird name looked familiar, so I figured I’d check. Why are they always vatniks?
No, I don’t think Putin is draining any swamp, but I do think he runs a far more competent administration than western oligarchs.
(Side note, speaking of WWII: Remember that Soviet flag on the Reichstag picture? That’s of a Ukrainian. Taken by a Ukrainian).
And now thanks to the help from the west Ukraine is run by literal fascists. Maybe something you should reflect on.
In any case, this conversation is clearly pointless since you evidently live in an alternate reality. I’ll just let you figure things out on your own and reconcile the fantasies you’ve built up with the real world as it becomes increasingly more difficult to ignore going forward.
And the red in that graph is “injuries”, not “deaths”. When Hamas attacked Israel a few days ago they butchered over 1300 people, mostly civilians, the most ever killed in a single day in this mess.
Does that excuse the Israeli government’s apartheid fascism? Of course not. Does it make appropriate for governments to take a moment to show support? Yes.
You can argue that it’s retaliation for decades of oppression, or for the horrible attacks in Palestine in 2014 that killed even more people spread over a month.
That doesn’t make it right. It’s still terrorism. It’s still butchering civilians.
No, it does not make it appropriate for governments to show support for the genocide that Israel is committing. And the fact that you don’t understand that says everything I need to know about you.
I’m hearing this repeated over and over, but its simply not true. CNN is covering it somewhat adequately. Go to their website.
Yes, fox are freaks. Obviously. And that is the most mainstream media. And what is happening in Gaza is a war crime. But it is willful blindness to say it is being reported in nowhere for the mainstream.
Its not the job of journalists to make that kind of judgement call. Only to report the facts on The ground. They have written plenty of articles about what Human Rights Watch, EU politicians, UN has to say on the matter.
The fact that what Israel is doing in Gaza is a war crime is a plain fact according to the international law and the UN. The journalists aren’t being asked to make this judgment, it’s already been made. They’re asked to report the facts which they are not. The fact that you feel the need to try and whitewash this really says volumes.
How am I white washing? I have stated repeatedly in my posts that they are indeed warcrimes. I figured that out impression following mainstream media coverage btw.
No, you are only trying to advance a case for all mainstream media being propaganda, blindly, without actually watching or criticizing it. This is ideological, and while it is an effective critique of the modern media landscape, you are using it to lie about the nature of the reporting.
You’ve just wrote a whole post rationalizing why western media doesn’t call war crimes what they are. Weird how these same media outlets have no problems applying such terms in Ukraine. The only one lying here is you bud.
Except that when you go back and look at the reporting from an outlet like CNN about Ukraine, that is not true. Sure - there are plenty of reports on how the ICC, and the US and the Ukraine govt. have said that. It’s despicable that various US government figures aren’t condemning this carpet bombing campaign. But CNN does adhere to at least a little bit of the basics of journalistic integrity - not by much mind you.
Is it really cheered?
Most people only agree that the murders on civilians started by Hamas were absolutely horrible and unnecessary. As for what is coming after I don’t think normal people are happy about either.
All western mainstream media and western governments are firmly supporting Israel. So, yes the west is actively endorsing genocide here.
Politicians are afraid to take stances against Israel because they think their consituents are on Israel’s side. Tell them what you think, email them links they cant ignore, call them and explain you know whats up and will call them out for supporting genocide if they don’t take everything thats happened into account. It will make a difference. Its the least anyone could do. Posting on social media about your frustrations only is not enough.
Western governments are supporting Israel because they just got over a thousand people butchered.
They’re also asking Israel to show restraint in Palestine. Even the US, Israel’s chief arm’s dealer, is telling them not to do war crimes. Is it meaningless chin music? Of course. But it’s not necessarily an “endorsement”.
If your friend sees his kid get grievously hurt, you support him. When he gets his gun, you try to talk him down. Now, the problem in this story is: you gave him that gun.
I don’t think the west is endorsing genocide.
I do think that, if it really comes to real actual genocide: They armed it.
edit: I thought that weird name looked familiar, so I figured I’d check. Why are they always vatniks?
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3437882 by https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected]
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Same to you.
And the red in that graph is “injuries”, not “deaths”. When Hamas attacked Israel a few days ago they butchered over 1300 people, mostly civilians, the most ever killed in a single day in this mess.
Does that excuse the Israeli government’s apartheid fascism? Of course not. Does it make appropriate for governments to take a moment to show support? Yes.
You can argue that it’s retaliation for decades of oppression, or for the horrible attacks in Palestine in 2014 that killed even more people spread over a month.
That doesn’t make it right. It’s still terrorism. It’s still butchering civilians.
No, it does not make it appropriate for governments to show support for the genocide that Israel is committing. And the fact that you don’t understand that says everything I need to know about you.
I’m hearing this repeated over and over, but its simply not true. CNN is covering it somewhat adequately. Go to their website.
Yes, fox are freaks. Obviously. And that is the most mainstream media. And what is happening in Gaza is a war crime. But it is willful blindness to say it is being reported in nowhere for the mainstream.
Show me where CNN says what’s happening in Gaza is a war crime and condemning Israel over it?
Its not the job of journalists to make that kind of judgement call. Only to report the facts on The ground. They have written plenty of articles about what Human Rights Watch, EU politicians, UN has to say on the matter.
The fact that what Israel is doing in Gaza is a war crime is a plain fact according to the international law and the UN. The journalists aren’t being asked to make this judgment, it’s already been made. They’re asked to report the facts which they are not. The fact that you feel the need to try and whitewash this really says volumes.
How am I white washing? I have stated repeatedly in my posts that they are indeed warcrimes. I figured that out impression following mainstream media coverage btw.
No, you are only trying to advance a case for all mainstream media being propaganda, blindly, without actually watching or criticizing it. This is ideological, and while it is an effective critique of the modern media landscape, you are using it to lie about the nature of the reporting.
You’ve just wrote a whole post rationalizing why western media doesn’t call war crimes what they are. Weird how these same media outlets have no problems applying such terms in Ukraine. The only one lying here is you bud.
Except that when you go back and look at the reporting from an outlet like CNN about Ukraine, that is not true. Sure - there are plenty of reports on how the ICC, and the US and the Ukraine govt. have said that. It’s despicable that various US government figures aren’t condemning this carpet bombing campaign. But CNN does adhere to at least a little bit of the basics of journalistic integrity - not by much mind you.
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