Palestinian people’s struggles are real and have been continually acknowledged for decades. But so are the struggles of Israeli people.
The problems start when people excuse these terrorist attacks as being a natural reaction to Israel’s oppression, or even worse, directly blame it on Israel (as per the Harvard letter). And this is something that has been repeated ad-nauseum in certain circles over the last week.
Nothing justifies behaviour like beheading a bunch of babies.
Your own article confirms that the reports were verified. And the subsequent arguments (that not ALL the babies were beheaded) is one of the most reductive and idiotic things I’ve seen this year.
Also, you can find the footage of this yourself. I don’t recommend it.
Yeah shit is complex, it’s not as simple as “Israel bad” and “Palestinians innocent and oppressed” like most people who are overnight experts would have you believe.
Also, if fake news is a signature of right wing manipulation, then I am curious how you categorise the dismissal of the (since verified) claims of baby beheadings as fake.
Wars do include a lot of misinformation, and everything is just so quick. We have to dismiss first, and try to find the extraordinary evidence. I couldn’t. You can’t prove something doesn’t exist, or something didn’t happen.
Unfortunately nobody got time to read everything in detail. We skim through everything and try to come up with some sense out of it according to our world views.
Some other sources such as Snopes say the reports of babies being specifically beheaded is unverified, but they do confirm that babies have been killed and adults have been beheaded. So if we want to take that on face value, we’re still back to the pointless and absurd discussion about how many civilians of any age can be killed, and in what manner, before such killings go from being a justifiable to unjustifiable response to Israeli oppression.
I’ve also heard that some black people in South Africa attacked white people. It’s not racist to think there were racially motivated black terrorist groups. It’s racist to think all black people were terrorists.
You fluidly dance between Hamas, Arab nations, Palestinians, and “Islamic” people as a whole, because that’s how racists take the sins of individuals to justify their prejudice.
Maybe if the governments capable of speaking up and de-escalating the situation in Gaza actually did so, people won’t be driven to extremes.
It’s not easy to do the right thing. It is however, easy to oppress those that don’t have power, and this is an example of it.
I’m not justifying anti-semitism, those people should absolutely be punished, but we can’t be tone deaf about how most governments allied with the West have become silent and aren’t willing do anything, let alone de-escalate the killing of innocent civilians.
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It is an intimidation technique, though.
I’ve refrained from even acknowledging Palestinian peoples struggle in public to reduce risk of being tagged as a anti-fascist, or pro-terrorist.
Palestinian people’s struggles are real and have been continually acknowledged for decades. But so are the struggles of Israeli people.
The problems start when people excuse these terrorist attacks as being a natural reaction to Israel’s oppression, or even worse, directly blame it on Israel (as per the Harvard letter). And this is something that has been repeated ad-nauseum in certain circles over the last week.
Nothing justifies behaviour like beheading a bunch of babies.
The beheading of babies is fake news, though. And use of fake news is signature tactics of far right public opinion manipulation.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-a-shocking-report-on-40-babies-in-israel-was-deemed-disinformation-before-then-being-verified/ar-AA1hZUff https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-pictures-terrorists-beheading-children-white-house-2023-10?op=1
Shit is complex, friend. :/
Your own article confirms that the reports were verified. And the subsequent arguments (that not ALL the babies were beheaded) is one of the most reductive and idiotic things I’ve seen this year.
Also, you can find the footage of this yourself. I don’t recommend it.
Yeah shit is complex, it’s not as simple as “Israel bad” and “Palestinians innocent and oppressed” like most people who are overnight experts would have you believe.
Also, if fake news is a signature of right wing manipulation, then I am curious how you categorise the dismissal of the (since verified) claims of baby beheadings as fake.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Sources for confirmation are the IDF and IDF provided pictures. https://news.sky.com/story/its-important-to-separate-the-facts-from-speculation-what-we-actually-know-about-the-viral-report-of-beheaded-babies-in-israel-12982329
There’s also reports that there are ai generated pictures trying to support these claims: https://www.samaa.tv/208732623-fact-check-ai-generated-burnt-baby-image-shared-amid-israel-hamas-war
Wars do include a lot of misinformation, and everything is just so quick. We have to dismiss first, and try to find the extraordinary evidence. I couldn’t. You can’t prove something doesn’t exist, or something didn’t happen.
Unfortunately nobody got time to read everything in detail. We skim through everything and try to come up with some sense out of it according to our world views.
I’ll mention again that your own source (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-a-shocking-report-on-40-babies-in-israel-was-deemed-disinformation-before-then-being-verified/ar-AA1hZUff) concluded the report as true.
Some other sources such as Snopes say the reports of babies being specifically beheaded is unverified, but they do confirm that babies have been killed and adults have been beheaded. So if we want to take that on face value, we’re still back to the pointless and absurd discussion about how many civilians of any age can be killed, and in what manner, before such killings go from being a justifiable to unjustifiable response to Israeli oppression.
Holy shit you are a moron
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Uh no, that’s racist as fuck.
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I’ve also heard that some black people in South Africa attacked white people. It’s not racist to think there were racially motivated black terrorist groups. It’s racist to think all black people were terrorists.
You fluidly dance between Hamas, Arab nations, Palestinians, and “Islamic” people as a whole, because that’s how racists take the sins of individuals to justify their prejudice.
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You still don’t get that extrapolating from “Hamas” to even “Palestinians” is wrong, let alone to Australian Muslims in general.
Maybe if the governments capable of speaking up and de-escalating the situation in Gaza actually did so, people won’t be driven to extremes.
It’s not easy to do the right thing. It is however, easy to oppress those that don’t have power, and this is an example of it.
I’m not justifying anti-semitism, those people should absolutely be punished, but we can’t be tone deaf about how most governments allied with the West have become silent and aren’t willing do anything, let alone de-escalate the killing of innocent civilians.
Keep in mind, all it takes are 2 protestors to be saying ‘gas the jews’ for your statement to be true.
Honestly, you have to be a special kind of stupid to think any anti-Israel protests aren’t going to have at least some people saying that.