It’s so easy to win a debate once you silence your opponents.
They’re still talking about disinformation b.t.w., and people may still believe that it’s about searching for truth : https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1712804124579004485
Here’s the values of the “free world”.
I’m from France and we had yellow vests a few years ago. If a single one of them(, paid by the state or not,) murdered someone, then all their propaganda would have been banned, it works for internal as well as external movements(“terrorists”).
And be assured that we(sterners) would turn our backs on Israel, censor them, and call them terrorists, if they aligned themselves with China&others tomorrow. Our population would find it surprising for a few years, but with a few videos of israelis crimes would then agree that we’re right to have changed our minds.
Internet was the international phone, a hope for both sides to discuss with each other and a place where both propaganda could coexist, but politicians ruin everything, words are dangerous and kill people apparently(, no, our proganda manufacture consent for more killings, if explaining is enough to justify/forgive, then it’s criminal not to explain !), our minds are too weak and must be protected for our own good(, how convenient), we’re always telling the truth and the other is always lying, or whatever, kinda useless to say here what people of Lemmygrad or Hexbear(, a minority of the population, forcefully exiled by reddit, under governmental pressures, where nobody will hear them,) have already learned by themselves.
I don’t really care about 2006, but thanks for your answers. However, what is the solution for palestinians if i’m not supporting Hamas or other similar fighters ? What should i support, since Israel will continue its expansion unstopped ? And even if they surprisingly&durably stopped, should palestinians accept the current situation and what they were left with ? Why would that be fair ?
I don’t think that you have an answer, but i’d like to know how i could support palestinians without supporting Hamas and the destruction of Israel ? If they succeed then they’ve liberated the land. If they fail they wouldn’t have lost anything. We’re not offering them an alternative, or i don’t see it.
It’s up to you who you support. For me, I just dig my heels in the sand and call out bullshit wherever I see it on every side. Neither “side” in this conflict is clean, although many of the people are. It’s very complicated, because we shouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water. There is no good answer.
Yeah, we shouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water by demonising a side, which is what what we(sterners)&others will continue to do, as if it was necessary, but i hope that you’re wrong in saying that there is no good answer.
I wouldn’t be content if Israel was destroyed and everyone of their inhabitants were killed as well as their territory lost, i obviously wouldn’t want that to happen to palestinians either, i refuse to believe that there’s no way to please both sides, and i mostly blame the west, because they refuse that the israelis go elsewhere like in a (cold or hot uninhabited )desert, and they also refuse to give a portion of their land to palestinians, yet dare to take the moral high ground that Israel has a right to exist, i can’t see a way not to side with Hamas because their cause is just, what else could they do except submit or fight back ?
If they were given a voice, i mean, if there was a real debate, then solutions would appear and we wouldn’t conclude that there’s no other option for them than to comply. I formulated other “solutions” in the past, but giving a part of our land in exchange for Jerusalem and what surrounds it is my favorite one. Yet we’ll continue to paint Israel as the victim and, more importantly, this conflict as unsolvable(, with Israel’s dominion as the only possible outcome). We should talk and act, not be idle in front of this decades-old problem, what is wrong with us ? Is that how we would want to be treated ? Something must be done and it must come from us.
I think there are ways to appease the reasonable people on either side, it’s the extremist ones who are always out for blood and/or furthering their own position that can’t easily be dealt with. Unfortunately, it’s the latter kind of people who are in charge on both sides.