What do you mean? Settlers aren’t civilians they are actively participating in an armed occupation. This applies to tourists of colonial states too. Colonial states hide behind their noncombatant population to justify their atrocities.
Edit: This is in no way advocating for large scale murder of settlers just a dismissal of their right to be free from conflict.
What do you mean by participating? Is just living on stolen land enough to deserve death? Even just visiting as well?
Yes moving or visiting stolen land is putting yourself in harms way because occupied peoples have a right to violently resist occupation. Obviously, a non violent solution would be preferable but the lives lost during armed resistance are largely due to the existence of the occupation.
That is just the human shield argument, but applied to Isreal.
The pattern is typically settlers move in, settlers get into a conflict with the native population, and the settler state uses this conflict as justification for further expansion. Settlers are completely complicit in this.
Obviously, a non violent solution would be preferable
This post is saying that the violence was good, that is my issue. Like yes Isreal is to blame for it as well, but killing unarmed ppl is bad. It does not matter who they are, why they are where they are, it is bad to kill ppl. who are not fighting.
Just to clarify, I think Hamas does a much better job of keeping hostages safe than Israel does. Gaza’s water and power is being shut off and Hamas still gives their limited resources to hostages and assures them that they will be released safely, Israel on the other hand takes all of Gaza hostage by shutting off access to water and electricity. And they don’t care how many Palestinians die in the process
All I am saying is hamas did in fact do bad things. Not sure what happend here, that saying a radical islamist organisation is bad (or even, is not perfect), is now a hot take. I guess we need to congratulate Bibis party for helping them take power👍👍
You’re building a strawman and you’re speaking nonsense. I believe that you have not investigated this issue and there fore have no right to speak about it, but that is just my opinion.
Yes Isreals occopuation is horrible and directly lead to these attacks. But it is still bad to kill unarmed people, I don’t care if they are settlers, they are still non combatants and should not just be shot in their homes.
There is an argument (by which I mean Geneva Conventions) that combatants should be identified as such. They need to carry weapons or wear a uniform (and this is actually why the resistance wears bandanas, this is their uniform).
However in the case of Occupation, which Palestine is recognized as being under by the UN, another set of laws apply. And I’m no jurist and will probably need to one day still sit down and read through the entire document, but think of this way in an occupation setting… are you not allowed to capture or kill an accountant signing the orders to send Jews to Germany from France because he doesn’t wear a uniform?
Can you not take out Himmler because Saturday is his day off and he’s at home? You have to wait until Monday otherwise it’s illegal?
The Nuremberg trials found that “I was just following order” was not a valid defense. Can the accountant say “oh but I was just signing the orders you see, I was not actually engaged in the invasions”?
I would be very surprised if Occupation law did not take this into account. I mean even in warfare, can you not target the enemy’s barracks at night because they’re not carrying weapons and they’re not in uniform when they sleep?
So yes, by conscripting everyone into the IDF at the age of 18, “Israel” is digging its own grave.
killing civilians is wrong, i think
What do you mean? Settlers aren’t civilians they are actively participating in an armed occupation. This applies to tourists of colonial states too. Colonial states hide behind their noncombatant population to justify their atrocities.
Edit: This is in no way advocating for large scale murder of settlers just a dismissal of their right to be free from conflict.
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Yes moving or visiting stolen land is putting yourself in harms way because occupied peoples have a right to violently resist occupation. Obviously, a non violent solution would be preferable but the lives lost during armed resistance are largely due to the existence of the occupation.
The pattern is typically settlers move in, settlers get into a conflict with the native population, and the settler state uses this conflict as justification for further expansion. Settlers are completely complicit in this.
This post is saying that the violence was good, that is my issue. Like yes Isreal is to blame for it as well, but killing unarmed ppl is bad. It does not matter who they are, why they are where they are, it is bad to kill ppl. who are not fighting.
Just to clarify, I think Hamas does a much better job of keeping hostages safe than Israel does. Gaza’s water and power is being shut off and Hamas still gives their limited resources to hostages and assures them that they will be released safely, Israel on the other hand takes all of Gaza hostage by shutting off access to water and electricity. And they don’t care how many Palestinians die in the process
Except they are doing that too: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67173344
And were doing it before: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/3/3/israeli-settler-attacks-against-palestinians-by-the-numbers
all 1000 Isrealies who died were fighting?
All I am saying is hamas did in fact do bad things. Not sure what happend here, that saying a radical islamist organisation is bad (or even, is not perfect), is now a hot take. I guess we need to congratulate Bibis party for helping them take power👍👍
Nobody said any of those things and you know that.
“hammas did nothing wrong”
You’re building a strawman and you’re speaking nonsense. I believe that you have not investigated this issue and there fore have no right to speak about it, but that is just my opinion.
You know Israel could just…I dunno, stop stealing land and committing genocide?
This dude would’ve opposed the Haitian revolution
If someone steals something from you and then gives it to someone else, is that other person innocent if they refuse to return it?
It’s the colonialist finders keepers rule. You don’t have to give it back as soon as you give the stolen item to your kid.
Please read this https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Essay:Zionism_is_antisemitism,_and_Palestine
Yes Isreals occopuation is horrible and directly lead to these attacks. But it is still bad to kill unarmed people, I don’t care if they are settlers, they are still non combatants and should not just be shot in their homes.
There is no such thing as zionist civilian except children. Every settler older than 18 has gone through army training and is combatant
There is an argument (by which I mean Geneva Conventions) that combatants should be identified as such. They need to carry weapons or wear a uniform (and this is actually why the resistance wears bandanas, this is their uniform).
However in the case of Occupation, which Palestine is recognized as being under by the UN, another set of laws apply. And I’m no jurist and will probably need to one day still sit down and read through the entire document, but think of this way in an occupation setting… are you not allowed to capture or kill an accountant signing the orders to send Jews to Germany from France because he doesn’t wear a uniform?
Can you not take out Himmler because Saturday is his day off and he’s at home? You have to wait until Monday otherwise it’s illegal?
The Nuremberg trials found that “I was just following order” was not a valid defense. Can the accountant say “oh but I was just signing the orders you see, I was not actually engaged in the invasions”?
I would be very surprised if Occupation law did not take this into account. I mean even in warfare, can you not target the enemy’s barracks at night because they’re not carrying weapons and they’re not in uniform when they sleep?
So yes, by conscripting everyone into the IDF at the age of 18, “Israel” is digging its own grave.
There are no civilians in a settler-colonial project