Update: According to Lane County Jail records, the counter-protester who was arrested has been identified as Jonathan James Wisbey. Wisbey, age 51, was charged with 1st Degree Menacing, 2nd Degree …
These alt right morons are so stupid they can’t even use the mask correctly. It doesn’t even represent their ideals. This idiot saw “AnoN” and thought he’d LARP as the “hacker” 4chan.
V for Vendetta illustrator and co-creator David Lloyd:
The Guy Fawkes mask has now become a common brand and a convenient placard to use in protest against tyranny – and I’m happy with people using it, it seems quite unique, an icon of popular culture being used this way. My feeling is the Anonymous group needed an all-purpose image to hide their identity and also symbolise that they stand for individualism – V for Vendetta is a story about one person against the system. We knew that V was going to be an escapee from a concentration camp where he had been subjected to medical experiments but then I had the idea that in his craziness he would decide to adopt the persona and mission of Guy Fawkes our great historical revolutionary.
V as an idea is a revolutionary protesting against a tyrannical govenrment. Occupy wall street protestors were well known for using this mask.
This guy was shooting at protestors protesting injustice itself. Nothing about the alt right represents these ideas whatsoever. In fact, these people actively vote to keep existing oppression.
Ironically a lot of the ones choosing to support Israel are wildly antisemitic. Israel just needs to exist for their end of days cult prophecies to come true. The Jewish people themselves are irrelevant.
“The comics follow the story’s title character and protagonist, V, an anarchist revolutionary dressed in a Guy Fawkes mask, as he begins an elaborate and theatrical revolutionist campaign to kill his former captors, bring down the fascist state, and convince the people to abandon fascism in favour of anarchy, while inspiring a young woman, Evey Hammond, to be his protégée.”
The masks seem to specifically be based on the graphic novel and it’s appearence. I don’t agree with anarchy I guess but bringing down the fascist state is definitely not something MAGA would do. MAGATs support the fascist state. Thus why they tried to not let Biden have his election certified and tried to destroy democracy.
“David Lloyd (born 1950) is an English comics artist best known as the illustrator of the story V for Vendetta, written by Alan Moore, and the designer of its anarchist protagonist V and the modern Guy Fawkes/V mask, the latter going on to become a symbol of protest.”
Fawkes wanted to bring down the Church of England fascist monarchy in order to replace it with a Catholic fascist state. It’s the equivalent of a Sunni terrorist group trying to overthrow a Shiite government and replace it with their own. He’s a terrorist, not a hero.
Now V on the other hand, was a great role model…one second, I’m being told V was also a domestic terrorist who murdered anyone who disagreed with him. I know it’s super cool and edgy to scrawl an anarchy A on your notebook and act like V was a superhero, but if you actually watch and absorb what’s happening in that story, he’s no better than the people he’s fighting against.
I view V as morally ambiguous. MAGA certainly is cringe when they use him as representation though. He was experimented on and traumatized by an evil fascist government and yes at times, ruthless and calculated in his attempts to achieve his end goal. He was harmed by the fascist government as were people he knew. He was, to a degree, driven insane, and mad by a fascist government that chose to harm him and others.
MAGA has never had, overall, a hard life in the sense that they should storm a capital to “regain” their “freedumb” to stop our legit votes except their complaints that they couldn’t go to Mcdonald’s for a while due to Covid. Many of them had expensive trucks, six-figure businesses, and not much to worry about. The poorer ones were of course just idiots thinking electing Trump again will somehow save them, give them privilege in his eyes, or make them wealthy.
It’s understandable how V comes to be and how we interpret him morally is complex at best.
I’d tend to disagree that MAGA people haven’t had a hard life. Many have been stuck in a cycle of poverty (of arguably their own creation by voting for politicians that lie to and exploit them) for generations, and MAGA talking points speak right to their frustration. Cults in general seek out vulnerable individuals and exploit that to their own means. MAGA politicians continue the cycle while blaming liberal policies, so they’re just reinforcing the Republican lie to a new generation of voters.
They have access to all the information on the entire web but choose to go to sources that only confirm their own existing beliefs.
They saw Covid kill a million people and watched their family members die from it. I think the sympathy most of us had for people like this died out long ago. Of course, Republican politicians are the cause as is Reich wing media and Russian Social media.
I feel more sympathy for the people hurt by the shitty way they vote, which is all the rest of us. It feels like they are trying to drag us to hell with them, so excuse me if I’m less than sympathetic.
These alt right morons are so stupid they can’t even use the mask correctly. It doesn’t even represent their ideals. This idiot saw “AnoN” and thought he’d LARP as the “hacker” 4chan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_mask
V as an idea is a revolutionary protesting against a tyrannical govenrment. Occupy wall street protestors were well known for using this mask.
This guy was shooting at protestors protesting injustice itself. Nothing about the alt right represents these ideas whatsoever. In fact, these people actively vote to keep existing oppression.
These violent right wing extremists must be having a crisis of conscience in regards to choosing between Islamophobia and antisemitism
Ironically a lot of the ones choosing to support Israel are wildly antisemitic. Israel just needs to exist for their end of days cult prophecies to come true. The Jewish people themselves are irrelevant.
You’re thinking about it wrong. They don’t have actual positions, they just have whatever position is against the left in the moment.
Conscious? You give them too much credit.
Guy Fawkes was a sectarian domestic terrorist. Sounds just like modern day MAGA to me.
“The comics follow the story’s title character and protagonist, V, an anarchist revolutionary dressed in a Guy Fawkes mask, as he begins an elaborate and theatrical revolutionist campaign to kill his former captors, bring down the fascist state, and convince the people to abandon fascism in favour of anarchy, while inspiring a young woman, Evey Hammond, to be his protégée.”
The masks seem to specifically be based on the graphic novel and it’s appearence. I don’t agree with anarchy I guess but bringing down the fascist state is definitely not something MAGA would do. MAGATs support the fascist state. Thus why they tried to not let Biden have his election certified and tried to destroy democracy.
“David Lloyd (born 1950) is an English comics artist best known as the illustrator of the story V for Vendetta, written by Alan Moore, and the designer of its anarchist protagonist V and the modern Guy Fawkes/V mask, the latter going on to become a symbol of protest.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lloyd_(comics)
Fawkes wanted to bring down the Church of England fascist monarchy in order to replace it with a Catholic fascist state. It’s the equivalent of a Sunni terrorist group trying to overthrow a Shiite government and replace it with their own. He’s a terrorist, not a hero.
Now V on the other hand, was a great role model…one second, I’m being told V was also a domestic terrorist who murdered anyone who disagreed with him. I know it’s super cool and edgy to scrawl an anarchy A on your notebook and act like V was a superhero, but if you actually watch and absorb what’s happening in that story, he’s no better than the people he’s fighting against.
I view V as morally ambiguous. MAGA certainly is cringe when they use him as representation though. He was experimented on and traumatized by an evil fascist government and yes at times, ruthless and calculated in his attempts to achieve his end goal. He was harmed by the fascist government as were people he knew. He was, to a degree, driven insane, and mad by a fascist government that chose to harm him and others.
MAGA has never had, overall, a hard life in the sense that they should storm a capital to “regain” their “freedumb” to stop our legit votes except their complaints that they couldn’t go to Mcdonald’s for a while due to Covid. Many of them had expensive trucks, six-figure businesses, and not much to worry about. The poorer ones were of course just idiots thinking electing Trump again will somehow save them, give them privilege in his eyes, or make them wealthy.
It’s understandable how V comes to be and how we interpret him morally is complex at best.
MAGA using his mask is just . . .cringe.
I’d tend to disagree that MAGA people haven’t had a hard life. Many have been stuck in a cycle of poverty (of arguably their own creation by voting for politicians that lie to and exploit them) for generations, and MAGA talking points speak right to their frustration. Cults in general seek out vulnerable individuals and exploit that to their own means. MAGA politicians continue the cycle while blaming liberal policies, so they’re just reinforcing the Republican lie to a new generation of voters.
They have access to all the information on the entire web but choose to go to sources that only confirm their own existing beliefs.
They saw Covid kill a million people and watched their family members die from it. I think the sympathy most of us had for people like this died out long ago. Of course, Republican politicians are the cause as is Reich wing media and Russian Social media.
I feel more sympathy for the people hurt by the shitty way they vote, which is all the rest of us. It feels like they are trying to drag us to hell with them, so excuse me if I’m less than sympathetic.
The guy had a Gadsden flag, too. These are not smart people.
Lol thats a fed mask