Project 2025 has shown there is a sustained and well funded effort to turn the U.S. into a literal Christo-Fascist state.
Th USA has always been, since even before it’s founding, a Christo-Fascist state. Even more to the point, North Atlantic fascism is inherently Christian, so what purpose does the Christo prefix serve?
Since the Europeans came to this land, they have used Christianity as their rationale for mass murder, mass rape, child separation, castration, starvation, slave labor, concentration camps, death camps, environmental devastation, strictural misogyny, structural racism, all out war, religious persecution, mutilation, human medical experimentation, and eugenics. I probably missed a few.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg, paragon of blue virtue, wrote a majority opinion establishing the Doctrine of Discovery as the legal basis for the country. The Doctrine of Discovery is part and parcel of the white patriarchal religious decrees that also directed Europeans to kill most of the brown people they met, enslave the rest, break their minds and bodies, forcibly breed them closer to whiteness, and destroy every remnant of their culture even those parts that are carried in the mind.
So when we say the Dems are the same as the Rs, we’re serious. They both oversee and maintain the pinnacle of the North Atlantic fascist project, which is patriarchal white Christian fascism, the only type of fascism that has existed in the Euro-centric world (e.g. all of the Western hemisphere, all of Europe, and all of the European colonies globally).
The Ds and the Rs hold rhetorically different positions, and they take some actions to virtue signal in order to provide cover for their rhetoric. But Trump used Title 42 to deny asylum and put people in concentration camps, then Biden said this is bad and stopped doing it to unaccompanied minors, but increased total enforcement by multiples.
The Ds are not a counter weight to fascism. They are collaborators
You are validated in feeling anxious about another Trump presidency, but it’s pretty inevitible at this point (of course I could be wrong). Understand that the Democrats are not here to stop that, but to lay out a red carpet for the Republicans. The current genocide in Palestine and the backlash from it in all likelihood could be the death of the Dems. And the neocons in the Democratic Party are perfectly okay with that.
Trump will win because the ruling class needs Trump back in office. They see the writing on the wall.
In good faith, I do ask my fellow comrades what the end goal is if Trump is elected though?
And likewise, what is the end goal with Biden, or anyone else?
I haven’t made up my mind if I’ll vote for Biden yet, but I am incredibly scared that if Trump wins, I may not be around much to fight back against Trump if he is elected.
Something that strikes me with all of these justifications I see from Americans about why they have no choice but to support a system that produces malicious, mass murdering white supremacists like Biden is the selfishism inherent in the excuses. The smol bean idpol self pity. “I’m trans so he’ll genocide me instead of millions of foreigners.” is a common one I’m seeing around. Or worse again, “I have to protect my trans allies by supporting genocide.”
If someone puts a gun to my head and tells me to kill someone else or they’ll kill me, you know what, I’m not killing anyone. Let them kill me, I’m not playing their game.
Something like 4.5 million dead in your name over the past 20 years and it’s all “poor me, if I don’t help them do these things then I might suffer instead”.
Nobody’s saying you have to go on an adventurist spree but you need to absolutely not be taking part and be prepared to lose all your friends and family over this latest atrocity. This one’s the worst in quite a while. You’ll have plenty of license to run your mouth at length.
Biden can be voted for as a means to an end. Vote by mail and be done with it. Don’t run your mouth about it as if you did a great service to your country and only treat it like paying a parking ticket that has a slight chance to slow fascism. More time should be spent building a party that has a means of overtaking this wreached system. I notice that most socialist parties either have no idea how to sieze power or are keeping their cards to their chests (for good reason).
No the major strategy is not voting clearly. Any real work to build socialism will take alot more time than it takes to fill out a ballot. I’m just suggesting to fill out a ballot and mail it because why not. It is a tool available that might be less awful. Treat it like paying a speeding ticket, shamefully do it and don’t bother to tell anyone about it. Let your real work be outside the electoral process.
Ok its all about ego then, not anything practical. If it hurts ya that much, then yea don’t do it. Put in all efforts towards building socialism comrade.
Technically speaking, between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, I don’t think that there would be a difference in their policy towards Palistine. Thus, your actions via voting have 0 impact on genocide. In America, one can’t not choose fascism. No vote => fascism. Vote red => fascism. Vote blue => fascism. There are some small particular differences between red and blue. Team red explicitly wants sexual minorities to suffer. Team blue does not. Team red wants to ban books. Team blue does not. There are some small differences. You can choose to vote to influence the result if you are in the part of the country that the funhouse mirror of the US election system cares about.
You can vote on the small differences to slow down even worse harm that the state will do to the people domestically. Those small differences seem to be diminishing each election cycle. Unionizing, educating people on how capitalism works, protesting, , all can push socialism more effectively, I don’t dispute it.
I don’t see how voting hurts the working class as a whole. Between the choice of voting vs not voting, can you tell me based on material results, how voting is a worse choice than not voting? In many cases I’d understand the explanation its a waste of time for someone because of their location is heavily weighted towards team red or blue already. The working class is screwed regardless of voting vs not voting. In those cases the material difference between voting and not voting is the feeling of the individual voter. Thus I say that the only real reason not to vote is because of one’s feelings. However if one is in a place that the system cares about, one can vote for the least awful option for the small material differences between red and blue.
That is my understanding. The real reason not to vote is because the only real difference is likely that the cost of how bad it makes you feel outweighs what you understand the very minor positive results of your actions (and in many cases no change at all). I’m just saying don’t deny it is about your feelings. Where is my logic faulty?
The only thing I can say is a vote for third party is a vote for the party you agree with the least to win.
We need to get rid of this bullshit “first past the pole” system that entrenches a duopoly and then we can vote for whatever party we truly want to see in office. For now though, not voting for one is simply allowing the other to win.
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Th USA has always been, since even before it’s founding, a Christo-Fascist state. Even more to the point, North Atlantic fascism is inherently Christian, so what purpose does the Christo prefix serve?
Since the Europeans came to this land, they have used Christianity as their rationale for mass murder, mass rape, child separation, castration, starvation, slave labor, concentration camps, death camps, environmental devastation, strictural misogyny, structural racism, all out war, religious persecution, mutilation, human medical experimentation, and eugenics. I probably missed a few.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg, paragon of blue virtue, wrote a majority opinion establishing the Doctrine of Discovery as the legal basis for the country. The Doctrine of Discovery is part and parcel of the white patriarchal religious decrees that also directed Europeans to kill most of the brown people they met, enslave the rest, break their minds and bodies, forcibly breed them closer to whiteness, and destroy every remnant of their culture even those parts that are carried in the mind.
So when we say the Dems are the same as the Rs, we’re serious. They both oversee and maintain the pinnacle of the North Atlantic fascist project, which is patriarchal white Christian fascism, the only type of fascism that has existed in the Euro-centric world (e.g. all of the Western hemisphere, all of Europe, and all of the European colonies globally).
The Ds and the Rs hold rhetorically different positions, and they take some actions to virtue signal in order to provide cover for their rhetoric. But Trump used Title 42 to deny asylum and put people in concentration camps, then Biden said this is bad and stopped doing it to unaccompanied minors, but increased total enforcement by multiples.
The Ds are not a counter weight to fascism. They are collaborators
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You are validated in feeling anxious about another Trump presidency, but it’s pretty inevitible at this point (of course I could be wrong). Understand that the Democrats are not here to stop that, but to lay out a red carpet for the Republicans. The current genocide in Palestine and the backlash from it in all likelihood could be the death of the Dems. And the neocons in the Democratic Party are perfectly okay with that.
Trump will win because the ruling class needs Trump back in office. They see the writing on the wall.
And likewise, what is the end goal with Biden, or anyone else?
Something that strikes me with all of these justifications I see from Americans about why they have no choice but to support a system that produces malicious, mass murdering white supremacists like Biden is the selfishism inherent in the excuses. The smol bean idpol self pity. “I’m trans so he’ll genocide me instead of millions of foreigners.” is a common one I’m seeing around. Or worse again, “I have to protect my trans allies by supporting genocide.”
If someone puts a gun to my head and tells me to kill someone else or they’ll kill me, you know what, I’m not killing anyone. Let them kill me, I’m not playing their game.
Something like 4.5 million dead in your name over the past 20 years and it’s all “poor me, if I don’t help them do these things then I might suffer instead”.
Nobody’s saying you have to go on an adventurist spree but you need to absolutely not be taking part and be prepared to lose all your friends and family over this latest atrocity. This one’s the worst in quite a while. You’ll have plenty of license to run your mouth at length.
Biden can be voted for as a means to an end. Vote by mail and be done with it. Don’t run your mouth about it as if you did a great service to your country and only treat it like paying a parking ticket that has a slight chance to slow fascism. More time should be spent building a party that has a means of overtaking this wreached system. I notice that most socialist parties either have no idea how to sieze power or are keeping their cards to their chests (for good reason).
You think you can vote your way out of this? Yea. Okay.
No the major strategy is not voting clearly. Any real work to build socialism will take alot more time than it takes to fill out a ballot. I’m just suggesting to fill out a ballot and mail it because why not. It is a tool available that might be less awful. Treat it like paying a speeding ticket, shamefully do it and don’t bother to tell anyone about it. Let your real work be outside the electoral process.
It’s demeaning to you and directly supports a fascist system.
Ok its all about ego then, not anything practical. If it hurts ya that much, then yea don’t do it. Put in all efforts towards building socialism comrade.
What do you see as the practical benefits of supporting fascism? If we were back at the last election you would have voted for genocide.
It’s not that it hurts me personally, it hurts the working class of your country. I already put in efforts to build socialism.
Technically speaking, between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, I don’t think that there would be a difference in their policy towards Palistine. Thus, your actions via voting have 0 impact on genocide. In America, one can’t not choose fascism. No vote => fascism. Vote red => fascism. Vote blue => fascism. There are some small particular differences between red and blue. Team red explicitly wants sexual minorities to suffer. Team blue does not. Team red wants to ban books. Team blue does not. There are some small differences. You can choose to vote to influence the result if you are in the part of the country that the funhouse mirror of the US election system cares about.
You can vote on the small differences to slow down even worse harm that the state will do to the people domestically. Those small differences seem to be diminishing each election cycle. Unionizing, educating people on how capitalism works, protesting, , all can push socialism more effectively, I don’t dispute it.
I don’t see how voting hurts the working class as a whole. Between the choice of voting vs not voting, can you tell me based on material results, how voting is a worse choice than not voting? In many cases I’d understand the explanation its a waste of time for someone because of their location is heavily weighted towards team red or blue already. The working class is screwed regardless of voting vs not voting. In those cases the material difference between voting and not voting is the feeling of the individual voter. Thus I say that the only real reason not to vote is because of one’s feelings. However if one is in a place that the system cares about, one can vote for the least awful option for the small material differences between red and blue.
That is my understanding. The real reason not to vote is because the only real difference is likely that the cost of how bad it makes you feel outweighs what you understand the very minor positive results of your actions (and in many cases no change at all). I’m just saying don’t deny it is about your feelings. Where is my logic faulty?
The only thing I can say is a vote for third party is a vote for the party you agree with the least to win.
We need to get rid of this bullshit “first past the pole” system that entrenches a duopoly and then we can vote for whatever party we truly want to see in office. For now though, not voting for one is simply allowing the other to win.
both parties are fascist, there is little tangible difference between the two