The last time this happened, voters didnā€™t credit Bill Clinton. That may be a bad omen, or a good one.

If the stock market chose presidents, Joe Biden would be a shoo-in for reelection in 2024. The market rallied this month amid growing optimism about the economy, with the S&P 500 zooming 1.9 percent Tuesday on news that the consumer price index rose only 3.2 percent in October (compared to 3.7 percent in September). Stocks rallied again Wednesday on news that the producer price index fell 0.5 percent. Commentators are no longer debating whether the economy will experience a ā€œsoft landingā€ (i.e., a reduction in inflation without recession). The only question now is when it will arrive. The S&P 500 seems to have decided itā€™s already here.

But the stock market doesnā€™t choose presidents. Voters do, and polls continue to show they think the economy is in terrible shape. A Financial Timesā€“Michigan Ross Nationwide Survey conducted November 2ā€“7 is absolutely brutal on this point.

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    9 months ago

    I swear to god, itā€™s like you cranks are completely illiterate, both economically and actually. The question was:

    I hear about how deflation is supposedly the death knell for an economy,

    I give an answer, and you come in with ā€œWrong! Only superfluous spending would dropā€. Yes, genius, that is the death knell of the economy. The economy is set up to sell shit, if shit stops selling, moneyed classes pull the plug and everyone gets fired, and then the salary that buys you more stops existing. And then when the market collapses and everything grinds to a halt, you will spend what money you have on groceries, while Bezos will spend his buying shit up on the cheap, and will walk out of the ordeal owning everything. Thatā€™s what happened in 2008, and youā€™re deluded if you think it wonā€™t repeat. And you people will buy it hook, line, and sinker, because you canā€™t understand an explanation that doesnā€™t have a bad guy.

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      9 months ago

      while Bezos will spend his buying shit up on the cheap, and will walk out of the ordeal owning everything

      I love how you conviently forgot that these billionairesā€™ values are 90% derived from stock holdings and intangible assets. They wonā€™t have money to buy up everything, liquidating their stock options would only work with buyers being able to pay Bezos out of his positions, or you know a bailout like what happened in 2008 but you seem to forget that and associate it with deflationary policies that where not happening at the timeā€¦

      Thatā€™s what happened in 2008

      No what happened in 2008 is before the banks that bet bad failed, we bailed them the fuck out setting ourselves up for hyper inflation where riskier and riskier behavior is rewarded at scale due to to big to fail ideologies constantly bailing out failing businesses due to the capital they control.

      you people will buy it hook, line, and sinker, because you canā€™t understand an explanation that doesnā€™t have a bad guy.

      No one is saying we need a bad guy, we are pointing out the very flawed system we operate in, while you try and defend it saying this is how it should all work, when in reality these principles you think will balance everything are avoided through captured regulatory agencies implementing loopholes for big businesses, like market maker exemptions for naked short selling, or constant bailouts for to big to fail banks.

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        9 months ago

        No one is saying we need a bad guy, we are pointing out the very flawed system we operate in, while you try and defend it saying this is how it should all work,

        Wow. Incredible. Not only do you misread what I wrote, you canā€™t even understand what youā€™re writing. Amazing. 100%, completely illiterate.