The majority of Jews are at least partly Mizrahi, ie. of Middle-eastern or North African descent. IRC Jewish conservatives are more likely to be Mizrahi, where as Ashkenzi (‘European’) Jews are more likely to be left-wing.
Prime example: Ben Gvir, the far right minister of National Security, is of Iraqi/Kurdish descent. So if anything this whole thing is arguably Middle-Eastern Muslim values vs. Middle-Eastern Jewish values.
As you say, the Israeli far right aren’t great on gay rights either. Certainly not ideological bed fellows of Dana International.
The radical Islamic revolutionaries were backed heavily by America during the Cold War as a check agaisnt Communism spreading to the Middle East. The current state of the Middle Eastern values is due to American Intervention in the region, because radical regious governments are better than Communist Governments in the eyes of Global Capital.
The fact remains that America was supporting a socialist regime in a war against a theocracy - which really contradicts the claim made above that America was always supporting theocracies against left leaning regimes.
I was more referring to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that the USA backed against the Soviets there. In Iran the USA backed the Shah, which was over thrown by the Islamic Revolutionary Front in 1979.
Sorry, but from that thread alone it seems (to me) that you believe it because it’s popular in our most unpopular place called Fediverse. I don’t bring it because I’m against you, but to provoke you to dig deeper and grow more clever than me in the end.
I feel like jewish occupation wasn’t an occupation in our sense of the word when the already existing population of jews began to grow long before WW1, or WW2. It only became a problem when they were harrassed and harrasing when they grew, when they legitimized their state thanks to other states and their shareholders, when they became an autonomous state to fuck their neighbors over and expand.
You said somewhere in the thread that they could chose any other land. Do native americans have this priviledge to choose the land of their long gone natives? They fight for it in court. Jew nationalist picked them by Tora, and because it was a fucking desert no one cared about that much.
And do you really connect to one side more than another? These dirty throatcutters and rapists may seem to suck just as much as these cleen-shawed indiscriminate bombers. Both kiss their kids returning home, because they killed worthless untermensch. One got close-and-personal and another just dropped there a bomb.
I don’t see anything of them being a party to side with. None of them are lefties. Just deranged maneaters.
And I want to be proven wrong after you study the subject, as I’m too stupid to get it, it seems. If you debunk it line by line, you can post it on .ml. I’m drunk and depressed, but I won’t delete or edit this comment. Go on, if you’d like to remind me of it. I’m, as a non american, has too much trouble to sympathize with Hamas. To me, they are not representatives of the Gaza and the Bank, and are banking on terrorizing whoever their funders from bigger states find an (economical or ideological) enemy in.
free press, migration, women rights…geez, one could go on for hours and there is literally NOTHING in syria, iran, gaza and their fellow hate states that is worth fighting for.
Next you’re going to say something silly like “fascism, greed, ethnic nationalism, and religious extremism are the problems – and they can happily thrive in every major culture on the planet.”
Get out of here with that nonsense! You have to pick a side!
If I don’t, there’s a finite chance that their children will bomb my children. If I do, there’s an even higher chance that their children will bomb my children, which gives me the impetus to bomb their whole family. I call that a win!
Yeah let’s get some of them middle eastern value instead so we can start throwing queers off buildings!
Jewish conservatives are only a slight improvement on that front.
Same with American Conservatives.
The majority of Jews are at least partly Mizrahi, ie. of Middle-eastern or North African descent. IRC Jewish conservatives are more likely to be Mizrahi, where as Ashkenzi (‘European’) Jews are more likely to be left-wing.
Prime example: Ben Gvir, the far right minister of National Security, is of Iraqi/Kurdish descent. So if anything this whole thing is arguably Middle-Eastern Muslim values vs. Middle-Eastern Jewish values.
As you say, the Israeli far right aren’t great on gay rights either. Certainly not ideological bed fellows of Dana International.
The radical Islamic revolutionaries were backed heavily by America during the Cold War as a check agaisnt Communism spreading to the Middle East. The current state of the Middle Eastern values is due to American Intervention in the region, because radical regious governments are better than Communist Governments in the eyes of Global Capital.
Like Iran
Counterpoint: the Ba’athists in Iraq were also heavily backed by America, even though they were pan-Arab Socialists.
…that were willing to start a war with leaning-towards-Russia Iran
The fact remains that America was supporting a socialist regime in a war against a theocracy - which really contradicts the claim made above that America was always supporting theocracies against left leaning regimes.
I was more referring to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that the USA backed against the Soviets there. In Iran the USA backed the Shah, which was over thrown by the Islamic Revolutionary Front in 1979.
Yes.
what_about_america.exe
high_horse.exe
oversimplification.exe
Sorry, but from that thread alone it seems (to me) that you believe it because it’s popular in our most unpopular place called Fediverse. I don’t bring it because I’m against you, but to provoke you to dig deeper and grow more clever than me in the end.
I feel like jewish occupation wasn’t an occupation in our sense of the word when the already existing population of jews began to grow long before WW1, or WW2. It only became a problem when they were harrassed and harrasing when they grew, when they legitimized their state thanks to other states and their shareholders, when they became an autonomous state to fuck their neighbors over and expand.
You said somewhere in the thread that they could chose any other land. Do native americans have this priviledge to choose the land of their long gone natives? They fight for it in court. Jew nationalist picked them by Tora, and because it was a fucking desert no one cared about that much.
And do you really connect to one side more than another? These dirty throatcutters and rapists may seem to suck just as much as these cleen-shawed indiscriminate bombers. Both kiss their kids returning home, because they killed worthless untermensch. One got close-and-personal and another just dropped there a bomb.
I don’t see anything of them being a party to side with. None of them are lefties. Just deranged maneaters.
And I want to be proven wrong after you study the subject, as I’m too stupid to get it, it seems. If you debunk it line by line, you can post it on .ml. I’m drunk and depressed, but I won’t delete or edit this comment. Go on, if you’d like to remind me of it. I’m, as a non american, has too much trouble to sympathize with Hamas. To me, they are not representatives of the Gaza and the Bank, and are banking on terrorizing whoever their funders from bigger states find an (economical or ideological) enemy in.
/rant
i’d drop it to myself for tomorrow lol https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/647081/Western-Values/comment/3715171/votes/down
now there’s one guy without any interactions
You’re acting like the Jewish orthodoxy is down with the gays.
free press, migration, women rights…geez, one could go on for hours and there is literally NOTHING in syria, iran, gaza and their fellow hate states that is worth fighting for.
How about their lives? Genocide is fine if (in your opinion) their culture sucks, that’s the position?
no. but keep simplifying if you want
i want to hate you, but there’s a kernel of truth in there so i cannot
Next you’re going to say something silly like “fascism, greed, ethnic nationalism, and religious extremism are the problems – and they can happily thrive in every major culture on the planet.”
Get out of here with that nonsense! You have to pick a side!
Everyone is capable of crimes, which is why when someone steals from me, I just kill the next person I see (and their entire ethnicity)
That’s the spirit
If I don’t, there’s a finite chance that their children will bomb my children. If I do, there’s an even higher chance that their children will bomb my children, which gives me the impetus to bomb their whole family. I call that a win!
Bomb all those Gay Palestinians before they can get thrown off a building
How about they both suck?