• LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.ca
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    Literally not talking about the tunnels and bunkers shown recently which are built in Hamas style developed over the last 15 or so years.

    The shafts and tunnels are built in a certain style with parts made in gaza. This is all visible.

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      “hamas style” is that like art Deco? Maybe art Nuevo?

      You mean the place the hospital is located and constructed? Weird things in Gaza would be built in Gaza.

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        They use a specific type of cement piece construction they developed over time to let them build tunnels quickly for cheap. It’s been documented historically and proudly by Hamas.

        It’s the shape of the stone arches and the smaller U shaped pieces in the shaft that tell you it wasn’t Israeli built.

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          So a “technique” that would be easy and cheap to replicate rapidly. Is it not then suspicious it’s been quite some time between raid and any amount of investigation?

          Ah, glad we have an expert in primitive construction and not just that but one who’s seen these tunnels in person. What’s your name again so we can verify your conclusion?

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            Literally go watch the videos of journalists in the tunnels. Nothing will change your mind.

            https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/b1xzpxbnt history of the tunnels

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_tunnel_warfare_in_the_Gaza_Strip

            https://youtu.be/E7SwJtYW86U?si=TbxPd_CGqO4ahpp0

            Literally go watch the footage.

            https://youtu.be/W4gDfSNMRx4?si=vVvN7609vuYHRkuu

            It’s easy and cheap using smuggled concrete not doable in days with functional air conditioning systems.

            https://youtu.be/a_n8qj8ycok?si=4uWZsaddS5KQGRxX

            https://youtu.be/WUBxjB2NFMU?si=CGNkZJ0zwEDnZZh_

            It takes time to disarm a possibly booby trapped tunnel and avoid potentially collapsing the buildings with civilians on top. It takes time to do an investigation of a crime scene.

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              Yes, isreali approved releases of ungeolocated video by approved journalists, not investigators.

              We knew there were bunkers under all shifa, we knew there were tunnels under al shifa, we know both of these things because Israel used them when they controlled the hospital. What we don’t have is a. Proof hamas made them, b. That is used offensively c. That there was any use prior to Israel breaking a wall down to gain access to tunnels and bunkers they admit they built.

              Ditto bud, your own sources say they do not look recently used.

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                Also the proof is that hamas made them in their own style, far away from the Israeli built Bunker and on lower levels.

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                  They’re own style, you mean the Roman Arch and a fucking wall? Who could have thought of that aside from ww1 trenches, WW2 trenches, isreali trenches or I dunno literally anyone past like 1000bc.

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                Literally nothing with change your delusions in reality. So I’m going to stop bothering.

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                  It’s delusional to want evidence from experts who are actually there, not from journalists who have a perverse incentive to release only what Israel allows.

                  Wait for things to actually be investigated before calling it proof. It’s absurd to take sides during a war with evidence that’s solely controlled by one party and supported only by their allies.

                  Wait, see. Don’t trust the people who have a track record of lying about the same shit they’re talking about now and that goes equally to Hamas as it does to Israel.

                  But you know, logic huh? Why bother, who needs that. We all know the scientific method is “trust Ted, it benefits him more than anyone but why would ted lie?”

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                  It doesn’t say that at all, the best consensus of your sources is that they do not look recently used.

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                    Literally in the footage they point out it’s got working AC, and have had days/weeks to beat it.

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        No, quite literally. It’s been known Hamas does this shit for 10 years. More than a few prisoners reported it in interrogations.

        Once the geolocated shafts were shown on video and by reporters it became glaringly apparent Israel didn’t build those. The weird misinformation around the Bunker they did build is some weird delusions.