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Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.
Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported.
Eyewitnesses told journalists that clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services. They also said that managers had been able to warn patrons before police arrived.
To everyone cracking jokes about a gay uprising, it’s a lot simpler than any of that.
They just want to exterminate the gays. Like literally. They want to find that portion of the population and destroy it, because they think it’s disgusting and evil.
That’s it. Putin and the Russian conservatives are going after gays because it’s an easy win with their conservative base, and they can claim moral superiority. Also distracts from Ukraine.
If you are gay in Russia… Its a very bad time to be gay in Russia.
American “conservatives” are over here drooling at the possibilities.
Florida here checking in.
Our government is hard at work on this.
Check out this pending bill up for vote during the next session: https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/599/billtext/filed/pdf https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/599/billtext/filed/pdf
Essentially it makes it illegal to be transgender and have a job in government or government adjacent.
Here is an excert: It is the policy of the state that a person’s sex is an immutable biological trait and that it is false to ascribe to a person a pronoun that does not correspond to such person’s sex. This section does not apply to individuals born with a genetically or biochemically verifiable disorder of sex development, including, but not limited to, XX disorder of sex development; XY disorder of sex development; sex chromosome disorder of sex development; XX or XY sex reversal; and ovotesticular disorder.
An employee or a contractor may not be required, as a condition of employment, to refer to another person using that person’s preferred personal title or pronouns if such personal title or pronouns do not correspond to that person’s sex.
An employee or a contractor may not provide to an employer his or her preferred personal title or pronouns if such preferred personal title or pronouns do not correspond to his or her sex.
An employee or a contractor may not be asked by an employer to provide his or her preferred personal title or pronouns or be penalized or subjected to adverse personnel action for not providing his or her preferred personal title or pronouns.
It continues on about not being able to fire people for thinking being gay is a sin and so on, but I don’t want this to be a novel.
Well, if gay people weren’t sabotaging electric substations, mass murdering innocent people and attempting to overthrow our government…, oh, wait!
Don’t forget that big gay plot to kidnap a governor, and the other big gay plot to seize control of the capitol, the Supreme Court, and the Department of State and installed Donald Trump as an unelected dictator. Yes, they planned on having a lot of proud boys go hard into Foggy Bottom.
E: I forgot that other big gay plot to send mail bombs to all the Democratic leadership, ex-presidents, and governors that they could.
When do we get around to turning the frogs gay? That’s my favourite part.
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Well I for one am so glad the government of Florida is tackling the REAL problems. Pronouns are scary and difficult to understand, and I never had to deal with calling my friend Dick by anything other than his given name.
/s because of poes law.
That bill doesn’t make it illegal for transgender people to have a job in government or government adjacent. It merely prohibits them from requiring (with the force of law) other people to acknowledge their sexual identity.
No doubt it makes it difficult for some transgender people – namely those who are unable to function if people don’t acknowledge them – to hold some jobs, though, but it doesn’t forbid it as you imply.
This is essentially a pro freedom of speech legislation. To compare this with the Russians raiding gay bars and making “gay propaganda” illegal is preposterous.
If I read the bill wrong, please correct me.
It’s not though. It doesn’t just protect employers to call anyone whatever pronoun they want, it mandates that the preferred pronoun for trans people (and others) are not used.
It doesn’t just protect bigotry, it requires it.
My reading of the bill is that it specifically forbids any mandates towards pronoun use. This may enable bigotry, but does not require it.
But perhaps you can point to the sentence that requires bigotry since I missed it.
“An employee or a contractor may not provide to an employer his or her preferred personal title or pronouns if such preferred personal title or pronouns do not correspond to his or her sex.”
You’re right that it doesn’t require bigotry, but this section says that if a transgender person is misgendered, they cannot even request to be referred to by their preferred pronouns. I understand not being forced to refer to any person by any specific name or pronoun, but not being able to share your preferences is the opposite of freedom of speech.
Yes, seems like you were right and I was wrong. Thank you for correcting me.
That’s indeed a rather shitty clause which goes beyond protecting free speech.
This is essentially a post from a dumbass that never amounted to anything.
You’re right, fuck free speech!
Translation: I don’t like what he says but I have no actual arguments so I’ll just ad hominem. That’ll show him.
Thank you for, in your own peculiar way, confirming my conclusions though.
Or, I have lots of actual arguments but recognize that I’m not your dad or your professor, and that I actually just think you’re stupid and not worth the time it would take to explain it to you.
I recognize this form of argumentation from middle school. As you are presumably an adult instead of a child, perhaps you should try to improve your argumentation skills quite a lot before continuing these “actual arguments” you claim to have.
Or you could just pack it in. Stop posting bullshit takes on the internet and stick to your fucking mop.
Their Stochastic terrorism has too low of a rate. Either move onto more practical efforts, or make the whole world worse to increase the Stochastic terrorism rates.
Well shit, they’re just going to do both.
Hahaha, the word conservative dies at war doesn’t it?
This is just standard fascism. They need a constant stream of enemies weak enough that they can’t defend themselves. Whom they can paint as responsible for all a societies woes.
Fascism 101. We see Republicans employing that heavily here in the United States.
They need a new enemy every now and then. If the current enemy happens to be exterminated, they’ll need one sooner, but they’ll need a new one anyways.
My bet is they round up the men and send them to the front as fodder.
The convenient thing about the LGBTQ+ community though is that we can pop up anywhere, at any time. The perpetual boogieman.
There you said it. They don’t care about gay people. They need an easy win with conservative public before future (mock) elections and to distract people from Ukraine. And they also want a weapon to proclaim anyone they dislike an extremist.
Can you prove you aren’t gay? Let’s see. It’a either you record a video of apologizing for being gay, or we stuff a broom up your ass and you record a video of apologizing for being gay 🤗 Either way, 10 years in a joint.
I’ve recently seen a good article in a ru-language blogosphere. These pieces of shit who climbed to the power in the 90s and 00s break every ladder to their positions, they want to establish themselves as new nobles, and they need a variety of tools to persecute whoever they dislike. They want the good ol’ serfdom. They build it as we speak.
It’s not bad if you are gay and noble. Gref, Volodin, others are gossiped to be gay. Rather it’s bad to be not in their club, like most do. Then you are in a risk of being persecuted and robbed of everything over nothing.
It’s 21th century and neo-feudalism is on the rise! Fuck, I hate it here.
Milonov. He makes a lot of anti-gay statements, but he is gossiped to be gay.
I think I’ve read he was openly gay in the 90s (I mean, Zhirinovsky too to some extent) and there are photos of him from parties of the relevant thematic. I think I saw them even.
Zhirik is his own phenomenon. There are for example Zhirinovsky’s Sauna Boys - a group of men, who were often seen in sauna with him and then got position like Degtyarov.
I’d argue that for what he was used for, being a vehicle for unpopular laws, he may not be gay (as we don’t have solid proofs and it doesn’t really matter), but he is sure an f-word.
Just like that guy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Krasovsky
His reaction to treating LGBTQ+ as extremists while being an open gay? Hurr-durr I mean, sometimes you take what your Motherland needs over what you want. That’s the same dude who got banned from the TV because his suggestion of burning ukrainian kids blocked in houses was just too extreme for our media. He’s not unlike fucking Sharikov with that line of choking stray cats.
For what I care, they can eat whatever, may it be a pussy or a dick, but I’d strongly approve if they’d eat a fucking brick. They do everything to make it be seen as a consensual act.
I don’t think not being gay changes much in this statement
I mean, they are literally mounting campaigns targeting gays now. Maybe it sucks for both but it sucks especially hard for gay people in Russia at the moment.
E.g. Maybe it sucks to live in Mordor. But as a Goblin instead of as an Orc, maybe it sucks especially hard when Sauron starts the “let’s purge the Goblins” campaign led by the Orcs.
Yes, I know, the article speaks for itself. It was more of a joke about how it’s “a very bad time to be in Russia, period”.
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The Russian conservatives include plenty of gay people. Obviously hypocritical, but I wouldn’t expect them to support actual extermination.
The reason such actions happen is to show the average ignorant citizen (as Putin & co imagine that) that what said person wants is being delivered. Of course the average ignorant citizen doesn’t care about hurting LGBTQ people (at worst cares about hurting anyone happier than him, but still with no specifics). They just have a skewed picture of what that average citizen is, some drunk guided (in their imagination) by Russian prison culture only interested in having a better car.
Ah, also Putin & co are not conservatives. They in general have no consistent ideology to speak of. Take anyone important - they’ve been with “democrats pushing for reform” in the last years of the USSR, then “democrats fighting the Communist beast” in Yeltsin’s early years, then “centrists trying to prevent the integrity of the federation” in his late years, then with Putin “law against terrorism”, then “law against neo-Nazis”, then “economic stability unlike the bad-bad 90s”, and so on. At some point they got lazy and the facades became less consistent and memorable.
Example: Milonov
For those who don’t know difference between totalitarism and authoritarism, this is the differece.
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Well, it appears that some people not from Russia or its neighborhood are so unwilling to change their simple and wrong picture of what happens there, that they even care to downvote a comment simply pointing out that Putin, Shoigu, Patrushev, others have in various roles been near the top for all of the last 30 years, and then simply listing the main state “ideology” lines in Russia in the last 30 years, with no political position taken.
Or maybe it’s my bad English in that comment, I meant “preserve the integrity”, of course =\
Happens to me too.
Anyway, if it was on mastodon, I would say you are downvoted because your comment contradicts their General Party Line, but mastodon instances can’t downvote, so no idea.