“We are going to do something that I will say is slightly controversial but it shouldn’t be. We are going to indemnify policemen and precincts and states and cities from being sued. We want them to do their job. Our police and law enforcement has to come back and they want to come back and …

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/9405812

“We are going to do something that I will say is slightly controversial but it shouldn’t be. We are going to indemnify policemen and precincts and states and cities from being sued. We want them to do their job. Our police and law enforcement has to come back and they want to come back and they want to do their job. And we are going to indemnify them so they don’t lose their wife, their family, their pension, and their job. We are going to indemnify policemen and law enforcement. We are going to tell them to get out, we love you, do your job.” – Trump, speaking last night at the New York Young Republicans Club gala.

Trump going after the tyrant vote.

  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    11 months ago

    I already told you, I sit between progressives and moderates because I have the same goals as progressives and the same methods as moderates (or at least what would be considered a slower and measured process).

    The latter is designed to make sure the former never happens.

    There’s going to come a time in the next few decades where the dynamics flip though, and progressives have more power.

    If Democrats do not alter course, they will alienate enough of the votes that they needed and Republicans will win before that happens. Maybe not this election, maybe not the next one. But our current messaging won’t succeed forever, and it won’t carry us to the future in which progressives have any power. And we know what Republicans’ plans are. There won’t be meaningful elections after that.

    How should we act differently then – if at all?

    There won’t be a then if the party maintains its current heading

    It’s perfectly valid to say they can reap what they sow and also be taken for granted.

    It certainly is. They should sow other crops.

    I just think there’s a real opportunity in cooperation instead to have a strong electoral alliance.

    That opportunity exists today, and I fear it will not exist in the future. Centrists refuse to seize it, and progressives are not in a position to. If you want magnanimity, lead by example. Like this:

    And along those lines – sorry that I’ve been a dick to you, especially with how I ignored you saying you’ll vote for Biden just so I could make witty arguments and quips. That was disrespectful and also utterly counterproductive.

    This shows a capacity for introspection and humility that centrists are often too proud or antagonistic to display. Apology accepted.

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      11 months ago

      If Democrats do not alter course, they will alienate enough of the votes that they needed and Republicans will win before that happens. Maybe not this election, maybe not the next one. But our current messaging won’t succeed forever, and it won’t carry us to the future in which progressives have any power. And we know what Republicans’ plans are. There won’t be meaningful elections after that.

      And we’re the problem for warning them about that. It’s hilarious. It’s only working because of how horrible trump is. If the pubies trotted any one less horrible, we’d loose.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        And we’re the problem for warning them about that. It’s hilarious.

        They’d rather have Trump than appeal to the left.

        It’s only working because of how horrible trump is. If the pubies trotted any one less horrible, we’d loose.

        If Republicans nominate someone other than Trump, he’ll run as a third party candidate and split the “stupid bigot” vote. It’s the best we could hope for, considering that Democrats’ only message right now is “fuck you, you’re voting for us.” Any Democrat who doesn’t have a compelling reason to vote in the Democratic Party primaries for lower offices than president should be voting in the Republican presidential primaries.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          11 months ago

          If Republicans nominate someone other than Trump, he’ll run as a third party candidate and split the “stupid bigot” vote

          fair point. hypothetically, if trump didn’t exist (lets say he’s directly convicted of insurrection, or his second impeachment had seen him convicted; and directly barred from office ever again) Biden would loose to any other candidate

    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
      11·
      11 months ago

      I fear we haven’t definitively avoided the point where infighting between Democrats and progressives makes us blind to a fascist threat. So it’s more than fair for me to do my part when I’ve been a dick and perpetuated the problem.

      My hope is that Republicans lose by so much in 2024 that it effectively destroys the party, and by the time we’re sure they’re gone, the Democrats can split into proper moderate and progressive parties. It’s definitely wishful thinking, but we live in unusual times. Democrats should’ve lost badly in the midterms, but they actually came out ahead in the Senate and won some important state races.

      It’s also worth noting that we will need methodical planning grounded in reality and science to achieve the goals we want. We just need to do it genuinely and not to stifle progress. We can do what’s already worked for other countries fairly instantly, but we should exercise caution in making further improvements. We can still put together a test plan however to confirm any additional improvements will be successful.