When did I ever claim that words meant anything in terms of whether someone was something?
It does not. We’ve already covered this. Are you mental? A claim to be something doesn’t make someone that thing. Do I need to keep repeating the “golfer” and “musician” examples? I’m not arguing in circles. You seem to be twisting yourself into knots, though.
Tell me you don’t understand the Vonnegut quote without telling me you don’t understand it…
Edit: Just as nonsensical - “Claiming to be a golfer has a lot to do with whether or not people consider you a golfer by the common understanding of the word”. Oh really? I thought it was whether or not you play golf that determined if you were a golfer.
When did I ever claim that words meant anything in terms of whether someone was something?
I’ve lost track of the post, but at some point you were saying someone can’t be a Jew if they deny the Commandments or something similar. Now, by your logic maybe a “denial” is some sort of action, but denials by common definition usually take the form of words, not actions.
Now, if actions are all that count for someone to be considered “a Christian” or “not Christian”, only a complete knowledge of every action a person ever took or will take would suffice for qualifying them or disqualifying them as Christian. So then again, you’d have to basically be God in order to determine which people were Christian. Rendering the definition pointless.
“Claiming to be a golfer has a lot to do with whether or not people consider you a golfer by the common understanding of the word”. Oh really? I thought it was whether or not you play golf that determined if you were a golfer.
How do other people know whether or not you play golf?
You aren’t a thing only when you’re actively doing it.
I’m going to ignore the first half of this post because you completely missed the point of the Ten Commandments example. I suspect you’re just actually that dense and aren’t being intentionally obtuse or feigning confusion.
You aren’t a thing only when you’re actively doing it
Of course not. But you’re definitely not a thing if you don’t do that thing at all.
Again…read up like 2 posts back. That’s the entire point here. Remember? If you don’t play music, you can’t call yourself a musician. If you don’t golf, you can’t claim to be a golfer. Are you really that dense? I genuinely can’t tell if you’re a troll at this point.
You got lost in your own maze of words by saying that “you can’t claim to be a musician if you don’t play an instrument”, and now we’re here.
It’s still stupid, your criteria for being considered a musician is still fucking awful.
If I were you I would’ve pivoted to say “alright, fair enough, you aren’t a musician unless you play or compose music” and that would be somewhat closer to a common sense definition of the word (oh wait, but those can’t exist, everyone plugs into the dictionary or their nearest holy text in order to decipher meaning), but you like to continue to trip over your own feet for some reason and so you’ve brought us here: to trying to define what a musician isn’t.
A topic precisely nobody gives a shit about BTW.
You’re a weird little fuck I’ll give you that (if you aren’t just a malfunctioning chatbot).
So words mean nothing again according to you, now only the actions count. Someone’s arguing in circles.
Claiming to be a Christian has a lot to do with whether or not people consider you a Christian by the common understanding of the word.
“We are what we pretend to be, so be careful what you pretend to be.” - Kurt Vonnegut
When did I ever claim that words meant anything in terms of whether someone was something?
It does not. We’ve already covered this. Are you mental? A claim to be something doesn’t make someone that thing. Do I need to keep repeating the “golfer” and “musician” examples? I’m not arguing in circles. You seem to be twisting yourself into knots, though.
Tell me you don’t understand the Vonnegut quote without telling me you don’t understand it…
Edit: Just as nonsensical - “Claiming to be a golfer has a lot to do with whether or not people consider you a golfer by the common understanding of the word”. Oh really? I thought it was whether or not you play golf that determined if you were a golfer.
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I’ve lost track of the post, but at some point you were saying someone can’t be a Jew if they deny the Commandments or something similar. Now, by your logic maybe a “denial” is some sort of action, but denials by common definition usually take the form of words, not actions.
Now, if actions are all that count for someone to be considered “a Christian” or “not Christian”, only a complete knowledge of every action a person ever took or will take would suffice for qualifying them or disqualifying them as Christian. So then again, you’d have to basically be God in order to determine which people were Christian. Rendering the definition pointless.
How do other people know whether or not you play golf?
You aren’t a thing only when you’re actively doing it.
I’m going to ignore the first half of this post because you completely missed the point of the Ten Commandments example. I suspect you’re just actually that dense and aren’t being intentionally obtuse or feigning confusion.
Of course not. But you’re definitely not a thing if you don’t do that thing at all.
Who the fuck was arguing that you are?
Again…read up like 2 posts back. That’s the entire point here. Remember? If you don’t play music, you can’t call yourself a musician. If you don’t golf, you can’t claim to be a golfer. Are you really that dense? I genuinely can’t tell if you’re a troll at this point.
You got lost in your own maze of words by saying that “you can’t claim to be a musician if you don’t play an instrument”, and now we’re here.
It’s still stupid, your criteria for being considered a musician is still fucking awful.
If I were you I would’ve pivoted to say “alright, fair enough, you aren’t a musician unless you play or compose music” and that would be somewhat closer to a common sense definition of the word (oh wait, but those can’t exist, everyone plugs into the dictionary or their nearest holy text in order to decipher meaning), but you like to continue to trip over your own feet for some reason and so you’ve brought us here: to trying to define what a musician isn’t.
A topic precisely nobody gives a shit about BTW.
You’re a weird little fuck I’ll give you that (if you aren’t just a malfunctioning chatbot).