A Christian mother and daughter were shot dead by an Israeli soldier on the grounds of a Catholic church in Gaza City on Saturday, the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem said.

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    I’m so familiar with this because I’m Israeli and my grandparents were holocaust survivors. Part of the reason I’ve volunteered in the past to help survivors like the ones in the video.

    That’s lovely! Good on you… still baffles me that you are refusing to see the issue here.

    but those kids are a minority and if I knew where this was I could guess which group they’re from.

    At the beginning it says they saw 13 holocaust survivor go through rubbish fruit and vegetables to be able to eat. You can say “rising living costs” all you want. If Israel respected holocaust survivors, rising living cost should never play a role, especially given all the funding they get for just that.

    The issue seems to be widespread, not just a “couple few” here and there…

    I don’t meant to be disrespectful but your answer sounds like that of a politician trying to wiggle out of reality. The reality is that holocaust survivors are mistreated, maybe in an Israel that doesn’t care about them or anyone anymore.

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        Nowhere did I say there are just a “couple few”.

        but those kids are a minority

        I think you tried to downplay their numbers… another indication of this being a “politician’s answer”: make the issue look smaller than it is, make it look like a “normal”/“economic”/etc issue (that holocaust survivors beg on the street and eat bad food), blame the current person in power.

        Edit: I want to say, excuse my skepticism when it comes to a country that abuses not only Palestinians but also Jewish people, like holocaust survivors or all that jazz in the Yemenite Children Affair. It’s enticing to think that Bibi is behind all this, but to me, it looks more like there is something systemically wrong about Israel and Israeli society in its current format.

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            If I were in Israel today, I would easily be injured or killed in the street by police or the IDF or angry settlers. My apologies for not having so much faith in them.

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                Because I’m Palestinian. Not sure why you ask, it should be rather clear. What other ethnicity is getting butchered in the West Bank day by day??

                I don’t want to be stripped searched. I don’t want to die by a checkpoint. I don’t want to be shot in the head by Israeli police or the IDF. I don’t want to visit someone in the West Bank then have the whole house demolished on my head. I do not want to die, thank you very much, in a country where I’m less than human.

                I mean don’t get me wrong, I’m glad you “ask”, even though it feels like you asking is just to deny or downplay this too. Sadly I’m not exaggerating.

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                    You seem to be assuming Israelis as a whole support violent settlers like the ones in Yitzhar when we don’t.

                    Nope. Never said that, never implied it.

                    All I’m saying is, there are enough Israelis who would readily snipe me in the head whether you like it or not, by the blessings of the state of Israel, and if I ever get to an Israeli prison, I’ll be tortured and NO ONE from the UN or any other human rights organization will be able to get me out… This is what your beautiful Israel means to me, this is what it has become for Palestinians.

                    And no matter how “beautiful” you may be as a person, Israel still fucking sucks, and Israelis aren’t doing enough to stop the genocide from unfolding in the name of their own safety and security. I’m sorry (not) if you think that criticism of Israel is somehow a “generalization” or some kind of personal attack on you… that’s quite stuck up and arrogant in my opinion, but that’s human nature. Would be a good idea to overcome it now.

                    Considering I work with Palestinians that don’t experience any of that.

                    I can’t get myself to believe that, sorry. Maybe they just aren’t telling you 🤷 Thousands of reports of Palestinians killed in cold blood in East Jerusalem, or Jenin, or all the other places where Palestinians can never be free of live in dignity… thousands tortured in jail, held without charge, almost 20k now dead in Gaza, because of Israel and you still prefer to trust only your own personal experience… Shame. If I were you, I would learn to look beyond that little bubble where nothing is “that wrong” and no one is “that bad”

                    Your response to:

                    “your country (which was originally mine before Israeli forces ethnically cleansed Palestinians and butchered them) wants to obliterate me from existence because of my ethnicity, name, and origin – I can’t get a sense of safety or travel to my own homeland without getting a bullet in the head”

                    is this:

                    “but not all of us omg 😢 😢 😢 what is it that makes you think we’re all so bad? you’re being biased, my Palestinian friends never say any of this happens”

                    Well, that’s quite comical.

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            Unbelievable that you’re being talked down to and told you don’t know what you’re talking about when you’re literally an Israeli with family that survived the holocaust. It’s so upsetting seeing people call you a Nazi for living in Israel when you have family that suffered because of them. I don’t see people on this site circlejerking about how awful Palestinians are when Hamas does something bad. So why do I constantly see people circlejerking about how awful Israelis are when their government does something bad? I’m sorry you have to deal with this trash. It’s gross.

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              It’s because of their denial and downplaying of what’s being said, nothing to do with who they are or where they are from…

              “Those are just a minority!”

              “Holocaust survivors are NOT mistreated!”

              “Everyone would be outraged if someone called the ‘soap’”

              Well, guess what, buddy, these things are happening whether you are watching or not…

              If anything, it makes me sad that people so close and involved with holocaust survivors and the genocidal state of Israel wouldn’t have a better, clearer view on all of this.