The key will be if anything happens to that person as a result. Will there be any repercussions for him? If not, it is likely a systematic issue in their culture.
Seventy-two percent of respondents said they believed the Hamas decision to launch the cross-border rampage in southern Israel was “correct” given its outcome so far, while 22% said it was “incorrect”. The remainder were undecided or gave no answer.
Yeah, definitely, the Palestinians are suffering immensely and have never had a means of finding justice for the harms they have suffered. I wrote this in another comment, but if the Israelis ever decide to pursue a path of healing instead of genocide, it is going to take a long time for the Palestinians to heal and recover from those harms.
What would happen? Israelis have freedom of expression and it’s unlikely his disgusting comments rise to the level of a crime. Would you call that an actionable threat? He’s about as close to decision-makers as we are. Like, when Lindsey Graham called this conflict a holy war against Islam, it was revolting but I doubt most were surprised that he wasn’t legally punished. The most likely punishment is public ridicule and revulsion because there are few cases where people face legal consequences for speech.
What tells you? Do you think the Auschwitz Museum isn’t well-respected in Israel? Most English-language coverage in Israel seems to at least be prominently featuring the criticism over his statement.
Which party ran on a platform of murdering or displacing everyone in Gaza? Most Israeli voters vehemently disagree with parties that ran on considerably less extreme platforms than that. Half the reason for the emergency unity government was removing those less extreme extremists from decision-making positions.
I mean right-wing parties generally run on not allowing a Palestinian state to be created, and on settlement of the West bank and “hard on Gaza” policies. They’re not explicitly running on genociding Gaza, but that’s what these things mean.
I can’t find a recent poll about Israeli approval of the war (the most recent one I found was made in 19 November and had 88% approval), but the idea that Israelis are being forced to take part in this against their will is decidedly false; otherwise
Then why the move to pull the crazies out of cabinet? If what you’re saying is true, there isn’t a possible world where the public wouldn’t want the crazies in there to carry out the genocide they’ve been covertly voting for. Why would the public support Benny Gantz, a moderate on Palestine, coming into cabinet? Why would he be so far ahead in election polling?
People saying that they support a war with Hamas is very different from saying they support the murder or displacement of all the residents of Gaza.
The key will be if anything happens to that person as a result. Will there be any repercussions for him? If not, it is likely a systematic issue in their culture.
It reminds me of the whole “If you let a Nazi stay in your bar, it will eventually become a Nazi bar” allegory.
Israel seems to already have become a Nazi bar, for quite a while even.
Speaking of systemic cultural issues.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
Yeah, definitely, the Palestinians are suffering immensely and have never had a means of finding justice for the harms they have suffered. I wrote this in another comment, but if the Israelis ever decide to pursue a path of healing instead of genocide, it is going to take a long time for the Palestinians to heal and recover from those harms.
What would happen? Israelis have freedom of expression and it’s unlikely his disgusting comments rise to the level of a crime. Would you call that an actionable threat? He’s about as close to decision-makers as we are. Like, when Lindsey Graham called this conflict a holy war against Islam, it was revolting but I doubt most were surprised that he wasn’t legally punished. The most likely punishment is public ridicule and revulsion because there are few cases where people face legal consequences for speech.
Yeah, and something tells me he isn’t gonna get these things.
What tells you? Do you think the Auschwitz Museum isn’t well-respected in Israel? Most English-language coverage in Israel seems to at least be prominently featuring the criticism over his statement.
It’s because at least 50% of Israelis agree with him. That’s the number of right wing voters.
What does “representative democracy” even mean amirite fellas
Which party ran on a platform of murdering or displacing everyone in Gaza? Most Israeli voters vehemently disagree with parties that ran on considerably less extreme platforms than that. Half the reason for the emergency unity government was removing those less extreme extremists from decision-making positions.
I mean right-wing parties generally run on not allowing a Palestinian state to be created, and on settlement of the West bank and “hard on Gaza” policies. They’re not explicitly running on genociding Gaza, but that’s what these things mean.
I can’t find a recent poll about Israeli approval of the war (the most recent one I found was made in 19 November and had 88% approval), but the idea that Israelis are being forced to take part in this against their will is decidedly false; otherwise
Military service is more-or-less mandatory in Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel
Then why the move to pull the crazies out of cabinet? If what you’re saying is true, there isn’t a possible world where the public wouldn’t want the crazies in there to carry out the genocide they’ve been covertly voting for. Why would the public support Benny Gantz, a moderate on Palestine, coming into cabinet? Why would he be so far ahead in election polling?
People saying that they support a war with Hamas is very different from saying they support the murder or displacement of all the residents of Gaza.
I see. I guess that does give me slightly more hope for the future.