According to Section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty:

The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.

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    Go ahead and ban me. I know where I am, I don’t care.

    But it’s a bit of a stretch by any measure to say “It’s Ukraine’s fault for not being neutral” in the face of an invasion by Russia. Even for you guys.

    Edit: Clearly I kicked the bee’s nest by asserting that (checks notes) a country of 45 million people doesn’t deserve to be destroyed by a clear aggressor.

    Not responding to the blood thirsty tankies any more. Might as well ban me before you guys all soak your seats in sweat over how wrong I have to be

    Edit #2: Kinda telling that I have roughly 5 downvotes on every single comment I made here. What a diverse community, 6 guys all jacking themselves off putting down a single “lib” while holed up nice and cozy in their safe space.

    Come on guys, where’s your teeth? Don’t more of you care about your cause? The hexbear communities are much better at this and they’re actually trolls

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        I’ve gotten banned here for less. It’s not a secret that these communities censor conflicting opinions.

        If you think I’m being dramatic, maybe open your eyes to how your own communities operate.

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          It’s not a secret that these communities censor conflicting opinions.

          stalin chad yes balloon

          I hope the mods keep censoring liberals like you.

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            I depicted myself as the Chad, therefore I win

            You guys have a real great community here. Dunk on me some more like you’re not all just keyboard warriors wishing the world was different

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              Dunk on me some more like you’re not all just keyboard warriors wishing the world was different

              you have the self reflective ability of a black hole’s even horizon

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                You’re either getting off to responding to a clearly disengaging “lib” like you’re winning or you’re shakingad at the fact that I don’t care

                Either way, tankies gonna tank 👍

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                  You’re either getting off to responding to a clearly disengaging “lib” like you’re winning or you’re shakingad at the fact that I don’t care

                  dude you literally walked into a space looking to be banned and are in the process of begging for attention from the mods, while I am bullying you for doing so. It Doesn’t take a genius to figure out who the loser is.

                  Either way, tankies gonna tank 👍

                  FUCK YEAH TANKIES ON TOP, POST YOUR FAVORITE COMMUNIST TANK

                  Modernized Vietnamese T54, dependable and sexy

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                    Modernized Vietnamese T54, dependable and sexy

                    I think it is also purposefully made to look more dangerous by resembling some of the more modern versions of T80, look at the turret.

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                  I know better than to engage the people flaming me here.

                  apparently not huh, really showing that you’re avoiding answering basic questions posed because you’re ignorant and don’t want to investigate the answers

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          I’ve gotten banned here for less. It’s not a secret that these communities censor conflicting opinions.

          i don’t care, who the fuck are you

          If you think I’m being dramatic, maybe open your eyes to how your own communities operate.

          hey, dumbass, I mod like 5 communities here, all it takes is a fuckin click. I know how it operates and I implement it. I don’t feel sorry for someone who comes in here on purpose to say stupid shit that everyone but you knows is stupid. Get a grip, touch grass, and fuck off before i get your stupid profile banned for persistent libshittery.

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              says dumb shit

              ‘dude you said some dumb shit’

              hehehe ur so mad lol got them

              yeah no shit im mad when you took a fat fucking turd of a take, its extremely irritating to see a fucking 6 year old give his unwelcome opinions on a site of people with actual political education.

              Read Marx, read lenin, read mao, then you can be allowed to have basic opinions. After that you can start really reading.

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          If you think I’m being dramatic, maybe open your eyes to how your own communities operate.

          Through an iron fist that doesn’t tolerate liberalism? Yes, it’s not a secret that the mods censor western apologia and Z posting. We’re aware of how this community operates and that’s why like this place.

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                Don’t you see! By not allowing people to shit on the floor in the middle of your restaurant, you’re proving that your restaurant can’t ever possibly be good! FREEZEPEACH!

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              Applauding yourself for reading the sidebar? There are like 7 rules and you expect any other response to breaking them? Hell, this community tends to go easy on people when they are legitimately curious and argue in good faith, but you came to troll.

              Why waste your life on this nonsense and then play the martyr?

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        Hurry, he’s still responding to people even though he said he was done talking. See my comment.

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            Radio silence for me too. I don’t want to take the credit, but I think it might’ve been me who chased them off. I pointed out the obvious, that Ukraine had been shelling the Donbass for eight years prior to Russia’s “aggression,” and they had this truly galaxy-brained take. In case you didn’t see it…

            “Oh, you’re saying that if a country bombs itself they should be invaded? Well what about American mass shootings?? I guess Canada should invade us over Sandy Hook, etc., right tankie?”

            And upon my clowning on him for likening mass shootings by private citizens to sanctioned bombardment by a conventional military force, he conveniently disappeared. Maybe he realized how idiotic that was and ghosted to save face. But given his prior behavior, I’m not sure he’s even capable of that.

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              I’m just surprised considering he was after just about anyone who would respond lol.

              Honestly that seemed like a troll response cause it didn’t even address the point, which was “the conflict goes back to 2014”, but I’m sure that he was trying to save face by constructing that strawman. 🤷🏿‍♂️

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        Tankie says reality denying, in his club of 6 people on the internet, railing against the world as it happens around them, insulated by the warmth of his basement

        As the libs laugh, because they don’t think about you at all

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          Well, first of all, you gotta pick between.

          Not responding to the blood thirsty tankies any more.

          And…you know…responding to the bloodthirsty tankies. You look pathetic otherwise.

          Second of all,

          As the libs laugh, because they don’t think about you at all

          thank you for this classic case of “I chased you down the street to tell you how little I care about you”.

          And finally, you do care about me, because I’m a double whammy, as on top of being a bloodthirsty tankie I am also a warmongering orc. You can go back to worshipping NATO and denying ukronazi war crimes in Donbass, Mahatma Gandhi.

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      what was Operation Aerodynamic? what did Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt discuss on their leaked phone call? what did Merkel admit about the Minsk agreements?

      you don’t know, all you do is parrot what bourgeois media tells you

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        Your neighbor has a gun pointed right at you loudly declaring his intent to use it. But it’s your fault for getting the police involved so he doesn’t shoot you, even though you agreed not to call the cops when he let you out of his basement.

        You guys really want Russia to be the good guy in this, huh?

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          You really want russia to be the bad guy, dont you? Do you actually read what we write or are you committed to shilling for a Nazi state?

          dude being neutral is not when you coup the real ukraine government, install a bunch of right wing losers, and then try to join the fucking GIANT ANTI-RUSSIA MILITARY ALLIANCE

          What, are Hamas terrorists now? Houthis the bad guys worthy of bombing for distrupting trade routes? Does Iraq have WMDs? Are we going to pretend the Gulf of Tonkin ‘incident’ was legit? The Bay of Pigs was totally not done by us? Sending weapons to Osama Bin Laden was a very smart and good idea? This is the kind of shit the US says many times a decade, the whole US bloc lies to get into war and you fucking ducks waddle behind them and think yourself enlightened. Get a grip

          I would say that you cannot possibly be this childish, but im afraid that everyone here knows the real answer. Just fuck off you politically inept loser.

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                Don’t -> won’t

                You guys really don’t understand how you alienate yourselves every time you say

                You libs are so full of western propaganda

                And then immediately unironically say

                Try our propaganda instead!

                And then you proceed to flame whoever doesn’t agree with you? Then you expect us to read your “proof”?

                What’s the point? I’m not allowed to have an opinion different than yours here without getting this this treatment either way? So why would I go out of my way to read your material?

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                  First of all you came in here in bad faith talking about some “ban me”, showing that you were never interested in any actual engagement. Then when asked crucial questions you dodged them and then complained that you’re being treated poorly for having a different opinion.

                  Second, your “different opinion” is misinformed. You can’t even answer the aformentioned basic questions regarding the coup in Ukraine in 2014. This plus your continued framing off Russia as the aggressor proves you don’t know what you’re talking about.

                  Lastly, if you “won’t” engage, won’t learn, then why are you even here?

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                  To not remain ignorant? Everything is propaganda, it’s propagating an idea, also you’ve been at this for hours apparently when you could’ve been reading instead???

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              dude are you illiterate it was barely 2 paragraphs worth

              this “ban me ban me ban me u won’t” hissy fit is extremely pathetic, you need to get a fucking life.

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                I’m glad the mods haven’t banned this loser yet. Too pathetic to even be worth a ban, and it’s funny watching him twist himself in knots demanding a ban so he can jerk himself off over how persecuted he is.

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                  No, I chose not to read what is, unironically, a hissyfit

                  oh no did the mean words hurt your feelings? Its the internet kid, get a grip. Dude are you just going to sit here basically saying “no u, mods ban me im so smug” like you have for the last fucking half hour or are you going to GO OUTSIDE LIKE A NORMAL PERSON.

                  but while we’re on the topic of ukraine, How’d that counter-offensive go btw?

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                    No, I’m actually just going to leave and let your community continue doing what it does best: cry into the wind with your 6 other comrades about how the world totally different you guys

                    Later, tater ✌️

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            Joining a mutual defense agreement is not at all holding the gun. Also, NATO didn’t even consider Ukraine until well after Russia invaded.

            You have to be pretty deep into the rabbit hole before you can say that Ukraine is the aggressor here.

            Not that this conjecture matters, hit me with a soyjack

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            While their cities are being destroyed and their people are being slaughtered?

            But wait, they clearly asked for total war. My bad

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              While their cities are being destroyed and their people are being slaughtered?

              literally the donbass for 8 years while you said and did absolutely nothing

              its not like you even care, you like politics because you like arguing with people so that you feel your pathetic existence is finally acknowledged. You need help.

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      Probably shouldn’t have shelled their own country and people if they want to claim to be blameless and faced with “clear aggression.” Oops.

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        Killer logic you have there. I suppose that means any country is justified in invading another as long as the country is bombing itself.

        How many shootings do we have a day in the US? That’s a comparable crime right? So I guess you’ll be the first in line to invade us too?

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          Can you seriously not help yourself? “Not responding to the blood thirsty tankies any more” my ass. I knew for a fact you would read my comment, but I didn’t expect you to respond in less than five minutes… Do you have a humiliation fetish?

          You are making a fool of yourself. No, it isn’t comparable. Obviously there is a clear difference between the Azov nazis killing thousands of the citizens they are allegedly charged with protecting versus private citizens killing other private citizens. Jesus Christ, go touch grass.

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              As opposed to your comment which is full of information and doesn’t have any pithy insults?

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                What’s insulting about being ignorant? You don’t know what you’re talking about, and libs usually don’t. Seems like plenty of information there, not my fault you got hurt over it 🤷🏿‍♂️

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            It’s literally the declaration signed by the ukraine government, the fact that you can’t process that is pretty hilarious. I guess lobotomies are a prerequisite for becoming a liberal.

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              If all I had was a criminal lack of context and pre-loaded insults to fire at anyone, I’m sure I’d be a tankie, too.

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                Nah, you’ve literally described yourself there. People you call tankies are the ones who try to spoon feed context to you like a little child while you spit it out and throw tantrums. You’d need at least a couple of brain cells to bang together to be a tankie.

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                  The classic “no, u” that doesn’t even make sense, way to prove my point lol