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  • Your original point was that third places require no cost. If you want to change to low cost, then bars and cafes still fit that category.

    The average person can afford to order a beer or a coffee during their hangout. I’ve worked at Starbucks before, in a mall. It’s an average of 5 to 6 usd for a drink. The cafe my friend works in is the same. An average place is not serving 12 dollar lattes. The outliers here is some crazy customization, like if you ordered a veinte frappe with cold foam and extra pumps of syrup and subbing whole milk for oat, all that jazz, and the cashier decided to actually ring you up for all of it, or if you decided to go to erewhon.

    There is obviously a financial barrier for classifying third places, but that barrier is moreso on the restaurant level in my opinion.

    I could talk end to end about how capitalism and world events has led to the slow destruction of the cafe as a third place, but that doesn’t mean a traditional cafe and pub is not one. I’m obviously not going to consider erewhon a third place. I’m not going to consider a bar in a penthouse hotel a third place.

    Here’s an example of UC talking about pubs and cafes being a third place. It even talks about the idea of spending money and free third places.

    https://esl.uchicago.edu/2023/11/01/third-places-what-are-they-and-why-are-they-important-to-american-culture/


  • Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zonetomemes@lemmy.worldCha-ching!
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    Oldenburg suggests that beer gardens, main streets, pubs, cafés, coffeehouses, post offices, and other “third places” are the heart of a community’s social vitality and the foundation of a functioning democracy.[6]

    The creator of the term himself had pubs and cafes listed as examples of a third place.

    He is aware that modern suburbs only offer first and second places with a mandatory car-centric commute between them, and that “public” places have become commercialized to the extent in which one is required to purchase a good or service and is forbidden to “loitering.”[8]

    Sure the regulation against loitering obviously takes away the convenience nature of third places, but traditionally these places don’t enforce the need to spend money to exist in the space. It’s also not prohibitively expensive even if you spend money, i.e. its a place where people can conveniently make plans to hang out at.

    To your point on capitalism, I’ve already talked about how capitalism are actively destroying cafes as third places. Starbucks as a notorious example has been promoting drive thru so much, taking away actual indoors space, and destroying the social aspect of cafes. Yes capitalism is bad and malicious in this sense, but a place isn’t disqualified as a third place just because you can spend money there.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Oldenburg

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  • This article is so weirdly written

    One of his points is that a vhs player is easily fixable while a wifi router isn’t. These things aren’t even remotely the same. They don’t serve the same function, they don’t have the same complexity. Comparing their repairability makes no sense because they serve different functions. Just because I know how to repair a keyboard doesn’t mean I know how to fix a tv.

    Most of his complaints are on the capitalization of modern technology, which is not a problem of innovation and knowledge, it’s an economics and political problem.










  • Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zonetoGames@lemmy.worldPop it in your calendars
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    The dev bonus payout is still unconfirmed and is a rumor until of course either an insider confirms it or it gets confirmed at the end of 2025, when the payout is supposed to happen. Who knows exactly how true it will be, hence why I’m not basing my opinion on it just yet. Could end up being moved to a different date, could end up being true. I just dislike immediately raising pitchforks just because a terrible thing supposedly may happen. I have enough patience to wait and see what the future holds.

    Yea the founders getting ousted is a bit of a sour taste. I just have less sympathy for them since they were also the ones who sold the company in the first place.





  • Yea in fairness to (genuinely) free range, it’s probably best if chickens are raised in just not cages but still within an area a farmer can manage. I was thinking of free range as moreso outdoors, with a minimum area per livestock.

    For meat chickens, yes they probably have the lowest quality of life. The ones that aren’t stuffed in cages are usually not meat chickens though, but a different breed. I’d say they have a decent life because they’re not being stuffed full of steroids and are given space to roam.

    I’m not sure on bird flu. From what I’ve read, the conditions of meat chickens living in cages is the reason why bird flu spread so much. The chickens are so cramped, and so unsanitary that they essentially need to be pumped with antibiotics, which caused bird flu to develop a resistant strain. If companies weren’t so hellbent at maximizing value, providing just an increase in living space would have hindered the spread of bird flu.

    My perspective is that it’s more ethical to be able to provide a good quality of life for the animals you raise. One cow with a low quality of life imo is less ethical than a bunch of chickens with a decent quality of life, even if we consider numbers. If you can provide that to a cow, then yea it’s probably more ethical than a bunch of chickens. It’s just a lot easier to have a chicken live a good life than it is for a cow.

    This is all my perspective though