MizuTama [he/him, any]

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  • I’m really tired so I may double back tomorrow to this, but in essence historically the American left has fairly consistently abandoned black people in almost uniformed fashion in favor of social democratic reforms with explicit carve outs to exclude black people. The easiest examples to trace are the exclusions carved into the New Deal.

    This has lead to a fairly consistent skepticism for the left by black Americans, particularly in cases where it isn’t black led. With Bernie’s general social democratic policy, the skepticism was already there and it also met a cross roads with white-chauvinism whenever the skepticism was expressed essentially policing the historically earned skepticism with a combination of condescension, distain, and vitrol. Worker’s parties and the like have historically seen black exclusion, and many of us are either vaguely or acutely aware of this phenomenon.

    The exclusion isn’t just throwing black people to the wolves for self benefit, but has also seen actively sabotaging movements at the inclusion of black people. If I recall correctly, there is a noticable drop in support for social welfare policies if they are phrssed in a way where there is active awareness that black people would benefit from it, even if the person being questioned would benefit as much or more.

    It’s beyond “fuck you I got mine,” and veers into “fuck getting mine if you get yours.”

    Edit: I’d recommend a reading or video but I’m struggling to recall much with my current fatigue. lil bill’s The Left has a Whiteness problem covers it however a massive disclaimer needs to be placed since he has little to no regard for MLs (he’s from my gathering a black nationalist though does seem to think socialism is needed for black liberation). I also know sections of Revolutionary Suicide by Huey Newton covers how it manifested into organizational issues for the Panthers but I still haven’t finished that so can’t say to the full degree which it’s covered.

    For further off the cuff modern context, a decent amount of Bernie Bros deviated to the populist right or are part of spheres such as “Breadtube” where diamonds such as ContraPoints and Destiny were staples. Many people that nominally diverged from them still haven’t shaken the chauvinism (though in some cases this seems to be willfully maintained) and frankly don’t seem to really care for the concerns of Black Americans further than our use for coalition building for their re-elevation.

    This isn’t to pretend I think the Black-working class is a day away from revolution either, while I am a bit young from witnessing this, from what I’ve seen there was mass liberal buy-in during the Obama era, where much of the democratic stronghold before appeared tactical, a lot of it seems to have transformed into legitimate believe in the system.









  • I think this is the hard part of encouraging growth and coalition building. It’s so easy to just ignore and only slightly harder to cut someone off imo. The constant friction of telling someone you care about, you think what they’re doing is harmful? That’s difficult.

    I’ve basically had a few friends that I’ve managed to yank away from a lot of reactionary tendencies, and that may have only been possible with literal decades of rapport and trust built up, as well as this friend having a higher-than-average self-awareness.

    I know I’ve almost definitely avoided hard conversations regarding situations where I’m privileged in the past, which is why I feel a compulsion towards grace towards others who have done it towards my particular plight.

    Also, frankly, being “roundabout” and calm has been more effective in my experience and has done wonders towards deprogramming reactionary or bigoted tendencies in those with whom I am in relations with. Though I am also mostly in social contact with marginalized groups and find it easier to address by relating struggles.

    i.e., it wasn’t difficult (in my experience) having some black folk realize their response towards the trans-allegory of Spiderwoman (US treat-pilled conversations) in the recent Spider-verse movie was bigoted by drawing attention towards how their response mirrored those that discredited the feelings of joy and representation we had when Miles became mainstream.

    Frankly, not sure how well my tactics can be used in predominantly white spaces. I know it’s generally effective with most people, but from my secondhand understanding, primarily white spaces and the actions and rhetoric used amongst white people tend to have some different dynamics, and I haven’t bothered trying to wrap my head around it. The class rhetoric (note: different than analysis in this case) that tends to serve as a neat bow is still there, but I find that to be most useful once I’ve already generated buy-in, not sure how it serves as the sole point of purchase.

    Generally, I have found ironically that the less people feel I’m pushing viewpoints onto them, the more receptive they are. This doesn’t often apply to those closest to me, though; there often I just go some version of “that’s fucked” and then explain why I think what they said is fucked.