!poc@beehaw.org

I’m vibing with the bottom-right

seeing that I should be “woman-aligned” to participate is saying to me “if you come here, you go in the women box, or at least next to it.” (YES, I know the rules do not say or intend this)

if the policy and rules don’t intend or say this, then where are you getting it from? The rules and phrasing directly does allow self-determination, what’s the issue?

We previously had a policy that had language like “women and non-binary” but it quickly became clear that the community is not intended to be “everyone except cis men”; for example, trans men who feel they are men and don’t identify as women and don’t feel at home in a women’s space, do we really want to invalidate their gender by implying this women’s community is for them in particular? No, instead we wanted to clarify it is a women’s space, and allow trans men who are in transition or who may have some connection to womanhood to be able to participate, without us having to make judgements on their manhood or womanhood - we allow them to figure that out and choose whether they belong.

So it was important to clarify the community’s intention to be a women’s community, focused on the experiences of people who socially are treated like women, or who might have some connection to womanhood, etc. while still allowing gender-diverse people to self-determine whether they feel they fit in, belong, or wish to participate.

Sometimes non-women are viewed as women in society, or have some connection or tie to womanhood - this allows them to decide their level of participation and comfort in the women’s community without sacrificing the purpose of the group as being a women’s space, without invalidating anyone, and without us having to be gatekeepers deciding when a trans person is or isn’t “woman enough” to belong.

the phrasing is to clarify the intention of the community is to be a women’s space; it is a women’s community that allows enbies who don’t identify as women to participate if they want

to be clear, you don’t have to be “woman-lite” to participate in the community - the rules explicitly allow non-women enbies to participate if they want to … however, it makes sense that being “woman-lite” would result in wanting to be a part of the women’s space - just wanted to clarify it’s not necessary

raw ginger is helpful - the gingerol supposedly blocks a seretonin receptor that is responsible for experiencing nausea

also, I like to combine ground turmeric, ground ginger, asafoetida, and black salt into a mix and then use a tsp of that in some warm water - that often helps

sometimes chewing some fennel seeds and eating them can help - but I found fennel seeds I grew in my yard were effective, but store-bought seeds never helped me - so maybe it depends on the variety of fennel?

mint is also commonly suggested if there is stomach issues, you can buy these pills at the drug store that have lots of menthol in them, and that can provide some relief

sure, I get that - there are several other women’s communities that don’t have the exclusion rule, this is the only one where women have a safe space

This comes up a lot, I suggest reading some of the existing debate that has been had on the topic, e.g. this post:

https://lemmyverse.link/lazysoci.al/post/25793355

EDIT: Here are some other women’s communities that aren’t exclusionary:

• !women@lemmy.world
• !witchesvspatriarchy@lemmy.ca
• !feminism@beehaw.org

hey thanks! There’s no ill-will with OP, I have respect for how protective they are 💖 It was just a misunderstanding.

the policy doesn’t exclude non-binary people who don’t align with women, the policy explicitly allows non-binary people like you to decide for themselves whether they feel they belong or not in a women’s space … that is, the community is clear that it intends to be a women’s space, but it leaves the choice up to gender-diverse folks about whether they feel they belong or not - we won’t exclude a non-binary person who chooses to participate, and you are certainly welcome

this is a good idea, I’ll try to standardize a template for responses that includes the full language policy and fully clarifies, just in case and to avoid confusion that might lead to accidental / unintended exclusion

I’m sorry you suffer from low self-esteem 🫂

thanks for your comment, but unfortunately this community has a rule that only women are permitted to comment or post, so please don’t comment further

hope you understand 💛

thanks for your comment, but unfortunately this community has a rule that only women are permitted to comment or post, so please don’t comment further

hope you understand 💚

I see it as removed, maybe it takes a minute for the change to federate?

thanks for your comment, but unfortunately this community has a rule that only women are permitted to comment or post, so please don’t comment further

hope you understand 💛

thanks for your comment, but unfortunately this community has a rule that only women are permitted to comment or post, so please don’t comment further

hope you understand 💛

thanks for your comment, but unfortunately this community has a rule that only women are permitted to comment or post, so please don’t comment further

hope you understand 💛

unfortunately he was referring to the women :-/