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The first link addressed his claim pretty thoroughly. I suspect you commented that assuming most people would not read it to verify your claim. I have seen you spouting bullshit all throughout this comment section so I had to read it so that I can call you out. You’re either lying or extremely bad at understanding the article. He provided links, you provided bullshit.

Here is the actual quote from the second article you take issue with: “But Elon Musk’s company has shown that EVs are a viable way to build a business. As recently as 2016, the jury was still out on that matter.” So you twisted shit so much you changed the meaning. That’s either done in bad faith or you’re extremely bad a reading comprehension.

So could you name any EVs that were available from the big companies in 2016?

I hate that I am here defending Tesla, but I hate the bullshit coming from you even more.

I mean the answer to your last thing is battery technology.

I agree that battery tech is what brought about full EVs. I still disagree that the Prius did.

Tesla and many others take advantage of both of these things happening to great success.

Could you please name a just couple of the “many others” that successfully implemented the new battery chemistry into their cars? Actually just one other would do. I apologize if that sounds rude it’s not my intention. I can’t think of a better way of wording this.

I disagree. I think NASA still innovates but they do it on things like propulsion and earth sciences.

I understand your argument, I just don’t think it is right.

The Prius never motivated other car manufactures to make EVs. Seriously, tooling the assembly lines did not begin until after Tesla.

Why did it take a decade to go from Prius to Tesla, but a only a few years after Tesla for other manufactures to start seriously producing hybrids and EVs?

I did see your answer to this question in another comment. So thank you for taking the time to address me as well. I was not aware of Mazda reliability so thanks for that too.

Now that you mention it I remember reading about the Prius problem. Something about that they could not stop. I also knew but forgot about the large number of recalls. They had to replace the frame on a large number of Tacoma’s. How do they mess up so bad that they basically had to assemble every Tacoma twice? Rhetorical, no need to answer.

Could you please tell me what “big words” they used? I don’t see anything outside normal vocabulary.

Hopefully you don’t take this as me defending musk in some way.

Because there was nothing else to compare it to at the time. It was the first viable hybrid, we agree on that. The part that I’m having a hard time explaining is that it was not hugely successful and not the motivation for all current EV’s. It wasn’t even a plug-in hybrid until 2012. That is 9 years AFTER Tesla.

Major manufactures did not attempt EVs until Tesla made a killing on them. Most of them did not even make serious attempts at hybrids until the mid 2000’s.

I have read about the interference with astronomy and am not for it. It didn’t occur to me when I asked.

Thanks for answering my question.

This directly contradicts what you claim. https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/09/14/musk-internet-access-crimea-ukraine/

I’m curious about Toyota as well. They are regarded as one of, if not the most, reliable car manufacturers.

Thank you for being the first comment that is not simply “musk bad.” I’m not being sarcastic. I seriously appreciate you answering my question.

You make a good point about private companies in space and I agree with it completely.

Oh my fucking god. I am not defending shit.

I asked a fucking question and the only answer I got was “musk bad.” I posted very clear qualifiers in the original comment and every other comment stating exactly that but somehow a whole bunch of y’all completely ignore that, repeatedly. It’s a critical bit of context that completely negates any defenses of any thing.

Then you go on to mention Tesla which was not mentioned in the comment you replied to. So it’s obvious you’re reading what’s written throughout the comments. It also makes obvious that you’re only picking out the parts you want. I never, not once, in any way defended Tesla.

I DON’T SUPPORT MUSK. I DID NOT DEFEND SPACEX OR TESLA. How else can I make it clear? What the fuck is going on with people missing the key bit of context?

I asked a question about SpaceX and someone else mentions Tesla. Somehow a bunch of you fuckers read it as I’m defending both SpaceX and Tesla.

Fucking fuck!

If you read all the comments by givesomefucks you will see that they ignore context and make wild assumptions repeatedly. They are on the hate musk train and not addressing the topic.

You: SpaceX?
givesomefuck: musk is terrible, musk blow up things, musk stole my girl/boyfriend
You: Okay, but what I was asking was…
givesomefucks: musk is the worst human ever, EVER!!!

Dude or lady is triggered. I get it musk is a douche of the highest order but givessomefucks has let it cause them to miss context and make wild assumptions. Sad really. I wish we could talk about things without whatever bullshit their on. My original question was only answered to the extent of musk is bad.

If I didn’t put that qualifier there would be comments talking shit about musk. Read the rest of this comment section and it’s clear as day.

The prius did not sell incredibly well. That is completely false. It sold well enough to be profitable but even a standard Corolla sold more year after year. It took a decade or more before any other serious options existed.

The previous paragraph covers your next question. You have your history wrong about how well the Prius sold and how long until EV’s became desirable.

A better wording would have been that the new Prius is more desirable than the previous generations. Which reinforces the previous Prius not “being cool.”

I’m not defending musk. So tired of that qualifier in this thread.

The prius is not an EV it’s a hybrid and nobody thought they were cool. Even tree huggers like me. Tesla made electric cars cool until everyone found out how poorly they were assembled. Then the other manufacturers, seeing that electric cars could be profitable, started tooling their assembly lines. You have your history completely backwards.

The new Prius Prime is cool af in my opinion.

I did not say NASA was better than SpaceX, or the other way around. You are putting words in my mouth. Don’t do that.

Here is a link to a comment that discusses exactly what you are saying, and it was posted before your comment. So maybe read first then comment.
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/568410/What-are-some-companies-that-deserve-to-be-boycotted-to#entry-comment-3161709

They can’t because when they fail the public and then congress wants to cut their budget. NASA can no longer innovate and maintain funding.

I hate that I have to put this qualifier but this is NOT an endorsement of musk.

For fucks sake.

I clearly said I do not like musk. I even went as far as saying I hate him but still that’s the first place you went. What the fuck?

Why SpaceX? I hate Musk and do not support any of his other… anythings. However, rocket go zoom then land without boom is fun to watch. I am genuinely curious why SpaceX is bad.

I completely agree about everything else you mentioned.