Simon 𐕣he 🪨 Johnson

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  • Everyone’s libing out hard over this. I’ve seen this my entire fucking life.

    Watch any municipal or state town hall where it’s an issue with real stakes where the cops have shot someone, where there’s an unequal land deal with developer money behind it, or literally just like be black in America.

    The only difference here is that your status as Mr. Senator no longer protects you. These types of arrests and laws have existed in America and have always been used this way. This is why disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct and and vagrancy laws are often only criminally enforced on those who cannot afford good lawyers or plead out. These cases get dropped upon challenge because most applications of these laws won’t pass a smell test, and the jurisdictions don’t want to lose them.

    Likewise most courts won’t per se strike down these laws because this kind of stuff is really where the rubber meets the road with liberal legalism.

    These laws are basically what makes that cop saying “you can beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride” possible.





  • It doesn’t make the assumptions you made in your original comment, that elites are necessary or that they can be integrated by making society more complex without increasing the relative resources available for them

    Elite positions are as necessary as the stability of the social systems under which they’re necessitated. If your argument is that elites are unnecessary then you’d need to explain a viable socio-political model where they do not exist.

    We can argue about the elite efficiency, e.g. minimizing to necessary elites. However even the USSR, China, Makhnovshchina, and ELZN have elites. So it’s not like they’re going to go away without a new radical socio-technology that does not exist.

    As far as the complexity argument, that’s literally the path that many societies had effectively chosen to stave off elite overproduction issues from coming to a boil. Tsarist Russia for example arguably ran a century and a half by doing makework bullshit for elites (see the linked blog). I never argued that it effectively solved the root causes of elite overproduction simply that it was a solution.

    The arguments here can easily be applied to “Pol Pot”, which again is also not something I am advocating, but something I am enumerating.



  • In the modern era that’s basically it (because higher education represents the biggest generation of elites), but it’s more general.

    Elite in this case is simply the highest caste, class or social strata that enforces some form of power over the lower ones.

    Let’s say there’s X amount of elite “positions” (cuz being a King is not a job and this applies to history as well) every year, presidents, senators, bankers, CEO’s, all the way to some upper middle class jobs.

    Every year this set of jobs can expand or contract. These positions require (through culture or ability) social elites to fulfill their function, people of privilege, college educated, connected, skilled, etc. Let’s call the amount of elites Y

    Elite overproduction essentially is a phenomenon in a country where Y > X and grows Y at a greater rate than X year over year.

    In Tsarist Russia for example Y (represented by the nobility) grew at a rate of 2.5 over ~75 years. In that same time X had only grown through fake make work councils which could not subsume all of the elites being produced.

    However that’s not all the Y there was, Russia was also growing like the world was and petty bourgoisie were also growing adding to Y.

    Historically the conflict between the nobility and the bourgeoisie has been a conflict of the nobility refusing to make de jure space for the bourgeoisie and being de facto evicted from that space. That’s literally the French Revolution.

    This isn’t just Marxism rebranded because this applies to socialist countries in history such as the USSR, and currently such as China.


  • The biggest issue with BPP’s militancy is community policing took on the state in the streets and protest actions took on the state in the newspapers. Had they not taken on the state the movement could have had community policing and maintained course while staying under the radar.

    The difficulty of a simplistic “do it later” argument, is that it’s harder to build a competent militia “later” both politically, ideologically and militarily.

    The issue was that David picked a fight with Goliath before securing the blessings of God.



  • First off, Turchin isn’t a Marxist. He accepts Marxist and Marxian ideas though especially when proven through empirical data. He obviously must he’s a sociologist. He’s ambivalent / neutral about Marxism.

    His model is summed up as: When excess elites are not absorbed into the existing power structure and are locked out due to lack of space in that power structure, they become aggrieved by their low status and seek alternatives to that power structure in various ways. Since they are elites they have some means whether knowledge, skill or material, thus have the means to destabilize the power structure itself.

    This quite literally describes the conditions that made Lenin and much of the intellectual vanguard themselves as they related to the power structure of Tsarist Russia. One of the things that many here do not really focus on is that Lenin and the Bolsheviks weren’t just solving a problem for the proletariat, they were solving a problem for themselves too.

    Here’s a good blog putting together the historical info but focusing on the general nobility rather than the Bolsheviks only.

    https://novum.substack.com/p/elite-overproduction-a-story-of-russia?s=w

    Turchin’s book is called Secular Cycles.

    Turchin’s substack is here: https://peterturchin.substack.com/archive?sort=top

    He has a fairly interesting series called “A Chronicle of Revolution” that talks about the meta of revolutions themselves and relates it to current/historical happenings.



  • What’s always interesting about these discussions of elite overproduction is they’re never framed as understanding elite management as a social control model rather elite overproduction is framed as a natural expression of needing a certain labor mix that spirals out of control.

    Nobody seems to take the 3rd order logic step of saying, if society needs smart people, but hierarchical societies can only aggrandize these individuals with a limited number of positions, and that the creation of members of this class becomes easier as we advance in technology that leads to a couple of “solutions”:

    1. chase the dragon and make more complex systems that need more elites
    2. remove the class structure, make elites no better than the janitors/babysitters/seat warmers they really typically are
    3. Pol Pot

    The USSR struggled with this as well in terms of students in the 80’s which thought they were better than kolkhoz. The Jeans Generation was not just a Georgian phenomenon, it was all over the USSR. It’s fairly inarguable that class stratification reemerged in various was in socialist states, just not in the classical capitalist form. It will be interesting to see how China deals with this going forward given that graduating with a Masters Degree is currently a great way to be unemployed.