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On December 10th, at around 6 p.m., 200 environmental activists suddenly stormed and “invaded” a Lafarge company cement factory of La Malle in Bouc-Bel-Air in the Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur region in Southern France. Infrastructure at the plant was reportedly attacked using a variety of methods, including: sabotage of incinerators and electrical systems and devices; cable cutting; bags of cement cut open and spilled; damage to vehicles and construction equipment; damaged windows; and graffiti spraying.
Yep, don’t remember who it was that I heard say something along the line of “If climate activists were really convinced they want to end the system that they can’t deny is profitable to them, car dealerships wouldn’t be able to have SUVs on their lot as they would be set on fire during the night, airports would get vandalized, gas stations blown up…”
They are quite serious. you may not agree with their tactics. none the less they are the ones putting themselves out there.
I do agree with you on some points. when I lived in Berlin their were people making gentrification difficult by placing small firelighters under the wheels of expensive cars on the streets.
Which would make no news, because it can be hidden away (as few people are affected by it), while landing the protestors in jail for ages due to destruction of private property.
In conclusion, unless it’s a mass action by a significant percentage of the population, it would have little effect.
The only thing that is happening will be the company being able to sell another one. There should be tax incentives to not drive SUVs like taxing by weight and motor power. The SUV was initially loved because of tax exemptions for ‘light trucks’ in the USA.
Loss of factory working days is a huge loss. Additionally, the more likely this is to happen, the more expensive said insurance will become, or insurers will just stop offering insurance.
I’ve never heard of insurance for large scale projects which can lose tends of thousands to millions of dollars per operations day lost. That’s normally eaten by the company’s savings or loans. Maybe it’s different in France.
Individual action within the rules of capitalism will never be enough to actually get stuff done. @[email protected] has the right idea here. If you want to actually hinder the corporations, you need to make it impossible to stay in business, no matter how they influence the government and rig the system in their favor.
That’s the problem though. How do you even do that?
Like this
Yep, don’t remember who it was that I heard say something along the line of “If climate activists were really convinced they want to end the system that they can’t deny is profitable to them, car dealerships wouldn’t be able to have SUVs on their lot as they would be set on fire during the night, airports would get vandalized, gas stations blown up…”
They are quite serious. you may not agree with their tactics. none the less they are the ones putting themselves out there.
I do agree with you on some points. when I lived in Berlin their were people making gentrification difficult by placing small firelighters under the wheels of expensive cars on the streets.
Which would make no news, because it can be hidden away (as few people are affected by it), while landing the protestors in jail for ages due to destruction of private property.
In conclusion, unless it’s a mass action by a significant percentage of the population, it would have little effect.
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If I burn down an SUV, will this create less or more pollution than if it’s driven and totalled after 80000km?
If it means companies stop making them, in the long run it’s a win for you.
The only thing that is happening will be the company being able to sell another one. There should be tax incentives to not drive SUVs like taxing by weight and motor power. The SUV was initially loved because of tax exemptions for ‘light trucks’ in the USA.
Does this actually do anything though? Insurance will just pay out and they’ll maybe have slightly higher rates.
Loss of factory working days is a huge loss. Additionally, the more likely this is to happen, the more expensive said insurance will become, or insurers will just stop offering insurance.
No. Such insurances are mandatory by law; in extremis, a government agency would force an insurance to take the risk.
What will sooner happen is the factory installing higher and thoughervfences, install security cameras, keep dogs on th grounds and hire security.
I’ve never heard of insurance for large scale projects which can lose tends of thousands to millions of dollars per operations day lost. That’s normally eaten by the company’s savings or loans. Maybe it’s different in France.
Now this is what I LOVE to see. Take a note, road blockers.
Idiotic.
All that shit is insured
The people doing this, if they get caught get massive fines and jail.
Nothing changes
France has a democratic system. You want to make actual change, get involved in politics.
This highschool vandalism bullshit accomplishes nothing, except make environmentalist look like lunatics.
If it’s done enough, projects get delayed, profit is lost and insurance costs sky rocket.
Real politics is something you get invited to, not involved in.
No matter what climate activist do, they get shit on by people like you because big oil tells you what they do is bad. Stop being part of the problem.
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Build an even bigger corporation?
With violence. How else do you ‘attack’ something. This is the US, I’m sure you can imagine how one would do this.
Their headquarters aren’t hard to find
You stop buy their products
Individual action within the rules of capitalism will never be enough to actually get stuff done. @[email protected] has the right idea here. If you want to actually hinder the corporations, you need to make it impossible to stay in business, no matter how they influence the government and rig the system in their favor.
Individual action is what spin everything to begin with, don’t downplay it. If you teach everyone good ethics these companies are over in 24h