As someone who has studied cinematography, I’m not worried about tools like this. Visual storytelling requires intention that AI can’t provide. This will probably be fine for improv comedy with simple reaction shots, but those tend to lack photographic intent anyway.
Films like Children of Men and Drive, that tell their stories through visuals more than exposition, will still require a trained eye to craft for the foreseeable future.
Visual storytelling requires intention that AI can’t provide.
It should be “that AI can’t provide yet”. The intent can be provided via elaborate prompts. It is just that the output from current generative AI isn’t up to that level yet.
Give it 5 years, and AI might be able to do what you mentioned.
I don’t think an AI will ever achieve new things like the dolly zoom or bullet time. AI can replicate these things once they already exist, but humans are brilliantly absurd and we make strange new art all the time.
AI can create new ideas or solve problems that humans haven’t solved before, right? Don’t you think it might be possible someday for it to do the same with cinematography?
I said foreseeable future in my initial comment for a reason. Someday it may help sure, but even into more advanced AIs I think a hybrid of human input and generative input will give more relatable and expressive result than AI alone.
“Many top Go players characterized AlphaGo’s unorthodox plays as seemingly-questionable moves that initially befuddled onlookers, but made sense in hindsight:[72] “All but the very best Go players craft their style by imitating top players. AlphaGo seems to have totally original moves it creates itself.”[68]”
Board games and filmmaking are more different than similar. My point was about the arts and more specifically film, so as cool as that Go AI is, I don’t view it as a threat to cinematography.
Slightly fewer degrees of freedom in a game of go than in directing a film… At the end of the day each move is just picking a number out of less than 400, there’s no actual act of ingenuity there
A false sense of security is worse than no security at all.
When the AI workforce breaks through the arts and film industry, what makes you think you’re the one holding the keys and calling the shots on AI? Simply because you studied cinematography?
The point is the scale of the impact will likely be substantial and many potentially will be displaced. I would argue you should be studying this shift rigorously instead of being dismissive to give yourself the advantage.
Idk, they can’t stop hallucinating extra fingers yet. I’ve been running stable diffusion and llama locally for a while. I’m not worried about cinematography for the near future. And you’re being a fear mongering dick. Bloooocked!
Yeah, I think this stuff is still a long ways off. I’ve worked with graphic designers to use AI for content and it’s more miss than hit (and that’s static images for things like icons/logos).
That’s not even getting into the fact OpenAI was showing the creme of the crop. Sam Altman was apparently showing live examples on Twitter and they were much worse in comparison.
Hey, you do you, but a great example of being in denial and exactly what people should not be doing. Everyone should be thinking about how to reposition themselves to ride this technological wave to success, and not turn a blind eye and be washed away like the parent poster above.
“Near future” and “foreseeable future” is constrained only by imagination and can happen sooner than you think.
You must have struck a nerve or that user has other stuff going on. Several months ago AI was practically eating paste. It definitely has short comings now but the adaptive speed is definitely going to disrupt most markets. AI will be considering things that the users aren’t aware of and have significantly more training than humans faster.
100%. The truth is hard to swallow but I’ve already seen people displaced by AI tech in other professions. It’s no leap at all to think this could happen in the arts and film industry soon.
Also I don’t understand the notion of “humans can do x so AI can’t replace us”. Fact is AI only needs to do 20-30% of what humans can do to put a ton of us out of a job. And it’s a bit delusional to think one is immune just because they studied “cinematography”.
As someone who has studied cinematography, I’m not worried about tools like this. Visual storytelling requires intention that AI can’t provide. This will probably be fine for improv comedy with simple reaction shots, but those tend to lack photographic intent anyway.
Films like Children of Men and Drive, that tell their stories through visuals more than exposition, will still require a trained eye to craft for the foreseeable future.
I mostly agree with you, except:
It should be “that AI can’t provide yet”. The intent can be provided via elaborate prompts. It is just that the output from current generative AI isn’t up to that level yet.
Give it 5 years, and AI might be able to do what you mentioned.
I don’t think an AI will ever achieve new things like the dolly zoom or bullet time. AI can replicate these things once they already exist, but humans are brilliantly absurd and we make strange new art all the time.
Your perspective is very black or white. This tech can have a HUGE impact on human and our endeavors without needing to replace us.
AI can create new ideas or solve problems that humans haven’t solved before, right? Don’t you think it might be possible someday for it to do the same with cinematography?
I said foreseeable future in my initial comment for a reason. Someday it may help sure, but even into more advanced AIs I think a hybrid of human input and generative input will give more relatable and expressive result than AI alone.
Loll I bet someone is working on those specifics NOW.
I would be afraid if I were you. It’s just a matter of time for anyone.
What about the 2015 Go games between AlphaGo and Lee Sedol?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_versus_Lee_Sedol
“Many top Go players characterized AlphaGo’s unorthodox plays as seemingly-questionable moves that initially befuddled onlookers, but made sense in hindsight:[72] “All but the very best Go players craft their style by imitating top players. AlphaGo seems to have totally original moves it creates itself.”[68]”
Board games and filmmaking are more different than similar. My point was about the arts and more specifically film, so as cool as that Go AI is, I don’t view it as a threat to cinematography.
Slightly fewer degrees of freedom in a game of go than in directing a film… At the end of the day each move is just picking a number out of less than 400, there’s no actual act of ingenuity there
A false sense of security is worse than no security at all.
When the AI workforce breaks through the arts and film industry, what makes you think you’re the one holding the keys and calling the shots on AI? Simply because you studied cinematography?
The point is the scale of the impact will likely be substantial and many potentially will be displaced. I would argue you should be studying this shift rigorously instead of being dismissive to give yourself the advantage.
Idk, they can’t stop hallucinating extra fingers yet. I’ve been running stable diffusion and llama locally for a while. I’m not worried about cinematography for the near future. And you’re being a fear mongering dick. Bloooocked!
Yeah, I think this stuff is still a long ways off. I’ve worked with graphic designers to use AI for content and it’s more miss than hit (and that’s static images for things like icons/logos).
That’s not even getting into the fact OpenAI was showing the creme of the crop. Sam Altman was apparently showing live examples on Twitter and they were much worse in comparison.
Hey, you do you, but a great example of being in denial and exactly what people should not be doing. Everyone should be thinking about how to reposition themselves to ride this technological wave to success, and not turn a blind eye and be washed away like the parent poster above.
“Near future” and “foreseeable future” is constrained only by imagination and can happen sooner than you think.
You must have struck a nerve or that user has other stuff going on. Several months ago AI was practically eating paste. It definitely has short comings now but the adaptive speed is definitely going to disrupt most markets. AI will be considering things that the users aren’t aware of and have significantly more training than humans faster.
100%. The truth is hard to swallow but I’ve already seen people displaced by AI tech in other professions. It’s no leap at all to think this could happen in the arts and film industry soon.
Also I don’t understand the notion of “humans can do x so AI can’t replace us”. Fact is AI only needs to do 20-30% of what humans can do to put a ton of us out of a job. And it’s a bit delusional to think one is immune just because they studied “cinematography”.