• EatATaco@lemm.ee
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    9 months ago

    Clinton absolutely crushed sanders. I’m not sure what you believe reality looks like. But if it ain’t that, then you should probably look elsewhere for that insult.

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                  8 months ago

                  What Brazile did find was a memorandum of agreement between the DNC and the Clinton campaign, she said.

                  “The thing, the only thing, I found – which I said, ‘I found the cancer, but I’m not killing the patient’ – was this memorandum that prevented the DNC from running its own operation,” Brazile said on “This Week.”

                  Per your source. Brazile isn’t willing to go as far as Warren, but she didn’t invalidate shit. The DNC pulled some shady shit and no amount of whitewashing by disingenuous parties such as yourself will change those facts.

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                    8 months ago

                    but she didn’t invalidate shit

                    She expressly and explicitly said it wasn’t rigged. Saying it’s “dishonest” to point to this when someone claims she would agree it’s “rigged” doesn’t make any sense. Additionally, I never said there was no right to be suspicious. I was suspicious when all this came out at first. But the facts have since made clear that the nomination was not rigged. So I dropped my suspicion. This is how it should work.

                    If the argument is that things should change with the process, and that it creates a huge conflict of interest that Clinton controlled the finances, I’m 100% on board. But then we should be having a rational discussion about what we objectively know to be true and what needs to change, rather than making up BS that it was rigged against Sanders and going from there. If we don’t start from a place of facts, the outcome won’t be any good. As they say: Garbage in, garbage out.

                    As this paper points out:

                    If the DNC had rigged the nomination process against Bernie Sanders, logic would suggest Hillary Clinton should have swept the caucuses and Sanders should have performed best in the primaries. After all, the state Democratic Party organizations administer the caucuses, whereas state and local election authorities administer primary elections. Instead, the reverse proved to be true. Clinton won twenty-nine out of the thirty-nine primaries, whereas Sanders won twelve out of the fourteen caucuses. Ironically, therefore, Sanders ran strongest in the election contests administered by the Democratic Party

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      8 months ago

      Looks like a lot of people don’t agree with your gaslighting.

      Clinton did not “cRuSh sAnDerS”

      The DNC (Debbie Wasserman Schultz), Barbara Boxer, Donna Brazile and others) did.

      Also the nefarious “counting and reporting” on sUpeRdELeGaTes before their votes had even been cast— thus trying to manipulate the public. It really left a very foul taste and I remember it well.

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        8 months ago

        Looks like a lot of people don’t agree with your gaslighting.

        This is like going onto The_Donald and pointing out that he is a convicted rapist, and a fraud who tried to steal an election. . .and when inevitably when you get tons of downvotes someone saying “Looks like a lot of people don’t agree with your gaslighting.” lol

        Clinton did not “cRuSh sAnDerS”

        She won by 12 percentage points in the popular vote. Removing super delegates, she won 57% of the delegates.

        It was never in doubt. She was the overwhelming favorite, right from the start. This didn’t stop me from holding out hope, BTW.

        You might be upset with how it was run (or how it was reported? Which is funny because the media made it look like Sanders had a much better chance than he had. Remember, an actual race is more interesting than a blowout), but the simple fact is that Clinton was just a far more popular candidate than Sanders. Neither us thinks it should be the case, but that’s the general democrat voter. It’s time to move on and accept the facts, instead of posting in alternating caps as if that makes the facts go away.

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            8 months ago

            You are rejecting the facts. What you are doing is showing what people do when they are dealing with the cognitive dissonance of pretending that Republicans are dumb for ignoring the evidence and believing the election was fraudulent, while trying to simultaneously ignoring the evidence that the 2016 nomination was rigged and that Clinton didn’t crush Sanders.

            But, don’t worry, just like Trump supporters, you’re too far gone at this point and thus are impenetrable to facts. So I don’t expect you to come around. I’m just posting this so any other person who comes along will realize that your position doesn’t come from a place of rational thought.

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              >So I don’t expect you to come around. I’m just posting this so any other person who comes along will realize that your position doesn’t come from a place of rational thought.

              any intellectually honest user who reads this thread can only conclude that the nomination was rigged.

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                8 months ago

                “The election was rigged!”

                Who do we all know that also says this when they lose?

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              8 months ago

              *your version

              There is documentary video evidence of what Barbara Boxer did.

              Stop gaslighting.

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            8 months ago

            Because someone posts factual information you disagree with- it does not become gaslighting just because you want it to.

            Look up what gaslighting means. Then stop using it incorrectly in debates. It makes you look foolish.

            The person you’re arguing with is not wrong. And that’s not an opinion. It’s factual information that reality supports.