macOS vs Linux | the ULTIMATE comparison
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Spoiler: GNOME wins

Btw their GNOME Theme manager is here

  • taladar@sh.itjust.works
    525·
    8 个月前

    As someone who had to help coworkers with Windows, Mac and Linux problems one of the main problems of macOS is the fact that you have to use the clumsy GUI for so many things and that the Unix-like underpinnings are badly maintained and outdated so many systems have several versions of the same tool installed in various locations (OS-, Homebrew-, MacPorts- or whatever other package manager of the day versions).

  • fart_pickle@lemmy.world
    446·
    8 个月前

    I’ve been macOS user for past decade. I’ve switch to Linux a year ago and the first thing I did when I tried Gnome was to switch to KDE. I like how Gnome tries to mimic macOS but it’s still has long way ahead. Gnome was really good on a touch device but I kept hitting the wall with small quirks and eventually I switched to KDE. I know it’s unpopular opinion but I find macOS UI superior to both Gnome and KDE.

    • krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      211·
      8 个月前

      everyone has their preferences, and maybe it could also have something to do with you being so used to the macOS ui that anything else feels weird or wrong in a way?

      • Womble@lemmy.worldEnglish
        151·
        8 个月前

        Fwiw i have almost exactly the same feeling going from gnome to macos, sure its polished but it goes out of its way to make anything even slightly complicated incredibly difficult. So yeah im pretty sure its mostly familiarity.

      • fart_pickle@lemmy.world
        41·
        8 个月前

        That’s true, I might be biased because I was using macOS way longer. On the other hand I’ve been using Windows even longer and I have never liked Windows UI. I guess I have some expectations on how UI should look and work and macOS just hit the sweet spot.

      • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        1·
        8 个月前

        I went from windows to Linux (gnome and cinnamon) to Mac OS, and I find Mac OS’ UI to just be the best overall. And that’s continuing to use all of them previous system still, just adding another OS on top. In the end I’ve settled on Mac OS for my home use.sure o can’t tweak the UI to my hearts content, but from the start I get a solid user friendly and consistent experience.

      • fart_pickle@lemmy.world
        121·
        8 个月前

        First of all I like how all apps, even the 3rd party ones, look alike. When using a new app I don’t have to learn the new UI. Most of the things are in the same place and I can almost intuitively click trough the UI. Also macOS feels smoother - I don’t know how to describe it, it just works out of the box and I don’t need to adjust the settings. The only thing I was updating was the touchpad scroll direction. Everything else had default settings set to my preferences. I liked the animations, placement of various elements and the fact I didn’t have to look how things work. It was as easy as it was designed to be for 5 year olds.

        • ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social
          71·
          8 个月前

          This is more an issue with GTK vs Qt apps. If you mainly use modern GTK apps it’s fairly consistent in my experience. Qt takes a Windows design philosophy with tons of nested context menus.

        • Dandroid@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          8 个月前

          I love Linux and KDE Plasma, but my biggest complaint is the inconsistent UIs. Specifically the frames. If I have 5 windows all maximized, and I want to minimize a few of them, the frames could all be different thicknesses, or the minimize, maximize, and close buttons could all be different sizes from the other windows, causing you to need to move your mouse around to minimize each window. On Mac or Windows, you can hover the one spot and spam click, because you know every window will have the minimize button in the exact same spot.

    • Eugenia@lemmy.mlEnglish
      61·
      8 个月前

      Just because Gnome has a top panel doesn’t mean it tried to copy MacOSX. Gnome tried to copy phone UIs (that have a top panel), not Mac or Windows. And that was the reason why many disliked Gnome, in fact. It seems that it’s optimizing for tablets and phones, while it’s running on desktops.

      • Fonzie!@ttrpg.network
        1·
        7 个月前

        It’s more than just that; it’s the dock, it’s the application list’s look, it’s the large rounded corners on everything, it’s the icon style… All of it

    • _edge@discuss.tchncs.de
      3·
      8 个月前

      I’ve been macOS user for past decade.

      I find macOS UI superior to both Gnome and KDE.

      I’m not surprised.

      Also, I’m not sure if Gnome tries to mimic OS X or Windows or KDE, for the sake of this argument. Gnome (classic) was invented to replace (original) KDE, which sort-of tried to replace Windows.

      Stuff evolves. UIs oscillate between minimalism and overload.

    • tsonfeir@lemm.ee
      13·
      8 个月前

      Because it is superior. It has been designed meticulously by hundreds of paid designers and developers who are all working towards a single goal. Apple literally wrote the book on user interface, and they apply those design principles to everything they do.

      Granted, it may not always be the best choice for all users.

  • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
    344·
    8 个月前

    As a regular user of both, I’m able to accomplish custom stuff faster with Linux, but Mac is pretty hands off once you get it set up. That said, it’s a garbage OS out of the box. It’s 2024 and it doesn’t even have windows snapping or back button support. You have to install and configure 3rd party tools to make it behave like something created in the last two decades. I’m pretty sure Apple doesn’t give a shit about their Mac OS anymore, since most of their money comes from iOS and store purchases/subscriptions.

      • Womble@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        8 个月前

        I mean gnome and kde both have it so that doesnt feel correct for why macos doesnt.

        • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
          92·
          8 个月前

          If true, presumably that gnome and kde don’t believe in the software patent but Apple doesn’t want to try its luck and risk getting in a lawsuit.

          (That said, they’re not exactly short of lawyers for a lawsuit… Maybe it’s in their interest to uphold the principle of software patents?)

          • ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish
            14·
            8 个月前

            Gnome and KDE had this feature LONG before Microsoft, so they have prior art to prove it’s an invalid patent

              • ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                8 个月前

                Yeah, I meant it’s unlikely Microsoft would try to sue Gnome or KDE for it, because they’d likely lose the patent

                • meliante@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  8 个月前

                  Yeah but my understanding is if they have a patent or the copyright or whatever it is, if they do not go after any single possible infringement, they’re potentially throwing away those rights at a later time. At least that’s how I understand it works in the USA at least?

    • Delusion6903@discuss.onlineEnglish
      1·
      8 个月前

      I use both Mac and Pop!_OS (Gnome) and I like and dislike both. MacOS has a great qulcklook that I miss in Gnome. Sushi almost corrected that oversight but it hasn’t worked right for me in a couple of years now. I also like Mac’s useful icon shortcut in the window title bar.

      Gnome’s extension system is a clusterfuck, but at least I can decide how windows function, unlike Mac.

  • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
    223·
    8 个月前

    Gnome’s Nautilus is a long way away from being Finder. It certainly trying very hard, and there are some things I like about Nautilus more than I like about Finder, but Finder has a lot of polish that is missing from Nautilus.

    That said, I look forward to The development of Nautilus and all of the improvements that will bring.

    • Womble@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      8 个月前

      Huh, i have the complete opposite reaction. Having to move to macos for work finder is probably my least favourite bit. It feels like it is deliberately trying to hide the file system and my files from me and just give me the files it thinks i want, id have nautilus or thunar installed in a heartbeat.

    • toddestan@lemm.ee
      42·
      8 个月前

      Finder? Polished? Even compared to Windows Explorer, Finder is terrible.

    • olympicyes@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      8 个月前

      The list of things you can do is a bit cherry picked too. For example, in a web browser file upload dialog, try previewing the images you want to upload. You can’t do it in Gnome. It’s been an outstanding fix request for 20+ years!

    • anothermember@lemmy.zip
      1·
      8 个月前

      I love Gnome but I think KDE’s Dolphin beats them all. Fortunately being Linux you can always use Dolphin with Gnome.

    • youmaynotknow@lemmy.ml
      12·
      8 个月前

      All I read here is “finder is better, but I won’t give you any reasons”. My sister is a die hard Apple fan, and she hates finder. So, yeah, unless you can bring a good argument for your claim, finder is pretty crap.

  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
    3315·
    8 个月前

    Anything is better than Mac… I hate how every time I try to push the green circle in the top left it now goes into full screen mode (if you don’t hold option every single time). Who the fuck wants full screen mode?

    That one feature is honestly enough to use anything else. It didn’t used to be this way… But Apple has been screwing up their products for over a decade now.

    • tiredofsametab@kbin.run
      222·
      8 个月前

      We are polar opposites; I almost never want something not in fullscreen, hah. I’ve been using a mac for work for a bit over a year now and hate it.

    • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
      151·
      8 个月前

      Can you change these colored circles to symbols? Red/green are horrible, I can mostly not differetiate them

        • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
          6·
          8 个月前

          Yes. Pretty common among men, a trait from their mothers as it lies on the X chromosome. Most women dont have it, as they have a healthy one and it is recessive.

        • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
          5·
          8 个月前

          I work with industrial human machine interfaces, used to operate heavy machinery. The prevalence of some form of colorblindness in the male population is around 15-17%, and most heavy machine operators are men.

          It’s enough of a safety issue that standards call for at least 2 ways of communicating alarms - most commonly shapes and colors, in many cases text is also used. The use of colors to indicate status (pump running, valve closed, etc) is also limited to colors with a distinct luminance value so that even people with full colorblindness can operate them easily.

          In the past, many HMIs were made in which green meant running, red stopped, yellow alarm… let’s just say a lot of people had to be maimed and killed before the standard was issued.

    • kalleboo@lemmy.world
      42·
      8 个月前

      They changed that to appeal to Windows users, people who were raised on Windows are absolutely obsessed with full screening everything for some reason

        • Sekki@lemmy.ml
          9·
          8 个月前

          I think he is talking about how the default is full screen instead of maximize window. Full screen meaning the entire screen with no application and system bar visible and maximized window meaning taking the whole space but still showing the application and system bar. Anecdotally I have seen many more mac users doing stuff in a small window than windows or linux users.

          • embed_me@programming.dev
            4·
            8 个月前

            I think I get your explanation but I rarely see people in windows using fullscreen (videos and games don’t count ofc), windowed mode is the default so I don’t get the comment

            • OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml
              61·
              8 个月前

              It’s very true on a Mac. Almost every time you click the green button, it jumps to full screen and then you can’t drag another window on top of it.

              It’s a pain in the arse because my workflow is to have a reading screen with documents and emails on, and a work screen with whatever I’m actually doing. But if outlook is full screen, you can’t drag any other windows on top of it.

              Don’t know why the first guy was saying this is a Windows thing though. I only run onto it on macs.

            • Sekki@lemmy.ml
              2·
              8 个月前

              I specifically said anecdotlly. Your experience and my experience a not representative of anything. Also that is only a small portion of my comment and was meant more a a sidenote.

              We were also not talking about windowed mode at all here. It was specifically about what happens when you press the green window control button, which as far as I know puts the app in fullscreen on macos and the equivalent on any other OS known to me is to maximize the window.

        • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          2·
          8 个月前

          Mac OS from the very start has been about opening (and then stacking windows) on top of other windows. The entire OS has been built around it since 1.0. Once you accept that’s how it works it’s UI/UX makes a lot more sense.

    • piexil@lemmy.world
      1·
      8 个月前

      Full screen mode kicks ass on a laptop.

      Swiping between all full screen with trackpad gestures is the workflow on macOS I really like

  • Railison@aussie.zoneEnglish
    111·
    8 个月前

    There are some gaps in this video owing to the guy not knowing some different keyboard shortcuts in macOS and just assuming they don’t exist.

    I’d say macOS is still more consistent than Linux but it certainly peaked in Snow Leopard.

  • exanime@lemmy.today
    8·
    8 个月前

    MacOS is like taking an athlete (Linux), dressing it up as a K-pop band member and tying it to a post so they can only move in a specific way and sing the same song.

    Why would anyone want that when you can have the pure, raw performance and stamina of the athele and make with them whatever you’d like?

    • https://gigatexal.blog -he/him@mastodon.social
      21·
      8 个月前

      @exanime @boredsquirrel ehh macOS has really polished software. It can also run a lot of the open source software Linux gets. Media seems better on it. Rogue Amoeba makes some legit stuff. But it’s more or less tied to the hardware. If it were open I’d run Linux on it and im hoping Asahi gets us there. macOS also a bit more user friendly focused. 🤷🏾‍♂️

      • pukeko@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        8 个月前

        I’m writing this from an M2 Air running NixOS via the Asahi bootloader installer and it’s an absolute delight. There are a few missing packages for the architecture, but surprisingly few. Everything works fine, except the fingerprint reader. (Having said all that, I like macos just fine.)

        • https://gigatexal.blog -he/him@mastodon.social
          1·
          8 个月前

          @pukeko that’s wonderful to hear. I got an M3 max (a huge stupid purchase I agonized about for a month before convincing myself I earned it lol) coming in just 10 or so days. But M3 support is behind M2 for now. And I don’t fault them for it. I’ll wait patiently for it to work.

          My dream would be a finger print reading immutable Fedora running Sway with full disk ZFS encryption.

          • pukeko@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            8 个月前

            I had a thinkpad that got much of the way there. I never tried ZFS encryption, but I’m sure someone in the nixos world has figured that out.

  • nomadjoanne@lemmy.world
    7·
    8 个月前

    I think Gnome wins as I have it. But I would take the vanilla macos shell (not the underlying OS, just the shell) over vanilla Gnome.

    • piexil@lemmy.world
      2·
      8 个月前

      I really enjoy the “maximize windows go to their own workspace” thing that macOS does, it combines really nice with swiping workspaces with the trackpad.

      There’s a gnome extension that mimics this but it’s kinda buggy and feels like a hack.

      • nomadjoanne@lemmy.world
        2·
        8 个月前

        Oh gawd, I hate that (sorry 😅). But so long as it was just an option, even a default one, that would be fine with me.

        • piexil@lemmy.world
          1·
          8 个月前

          Yes an option is best! Currently I have it with an extension although it’s kinda broken

          I know not everyone likes it either. I only like it on my laptop, where I use the trackpad to switch between workspaces. It’s more clunky on a desktop

  • RickAstleyfounddead@lemy.lol
    71·
    8 个月前

    Remember if you got harassed with macos hate comments.
    Apple is a multimillion corpo and you don’t have to defend any.

  • Skunk@jlai.lu
    5·
    8 个月前

    I solved that problem by using a tiling window manager on every OS. Configure it to use your favorite shortcuts (from i3wm in this case), put super + spacebar as the whatever launcher you like and tadaaaa!

    Everything feels more or less the same.

    I do that since I became addicted to i3wm years ago. The worst part is just remembering the keywords to type in the launcher according to what OS you’re on.

    • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
      1·
      8 个月前

      I am trying to use the LXQt stack with Wayland compositors currently. Havent tried labwc, which sounds like a good candidate for the job, but all the others pull in a ton of dependencies that I actually decided to try it with Kwin now, as I like KDE Plasma and I know Kwin is solid.

      I also really like COSMIC but it has a long way to go to become plasma like. Plasma 6 is pretty nice in many things.

  • chepycou 🇻🇦@rcsocial.net
    2·
    8 个月前

    @boredsquirrel I personally use neither of those, but I’ve had to fix issues on computers running both.
    I can tell that the apple GUI is clumsy, but sadly inevitable when you want to do stuff. I would always lose time trying to tile or move windows without success.
    At least in #Gnome, it’s #linux so you can fix everything without being forced into using a badly designed GUI and a lot of things work well. Though you’d better not be looking for some customization on Gnome, but if you bought an apple device you’ve already kissed customization (and fair prices) goodbye so to me there is no real question between the two in terms of user experience.