Kyle Rittenhouse’s sister Faith is seeking $3,000 on a crowdfunding website in a bid to prevent the eviction of herself and her mother Wendy from their home, citing her “brother’s unwillingness to provide or contribute to our family.”

  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
    81·
    5 months ago

    He showed up to a riot with a gun, he knew what was going to happen. He put himself in a situation where deadly force would just be on be on the line of justifed.

    Duty to retreat includes duty to not show up. It says so much that had the people he murdered not died and instead killed him they would be able to use the same defense he did. We are creating a last man standing justice system.

    A provokes B. They fight. B is murdered. A claims self-defense

    provokes B. They fight. A is murdered. B claims self-defense

    What does it say that the argument works both ways? No other crime operates this way.

    • ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
      17·
      5 months ago

      It says so much that had the people he murdered not died and instead killed him they would be able to use the same defense he did.

      LMAO no they wouldn’t! They chased Rittenhouse down as he fled! No jury on Earth would consider what they did self-defense, you’re completely out of your mind.

      He showed up to a riot with a gun, he knew what was going to happen.

      ‘She was walking around with a skimpy outfit, she knew what was going to happen.’

      Victim blaming. Wisconsin is an open carry state.

      What does it say that the argument works both ways?

      Loaded question; it DOESN’T work both ways, especially not when there is only one aggressor.

      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
        41·
        5 months ago

        LMAO no they wouldn’t! They chased Rittenhouse down as he fled! No jury on Earth would consider what they did self-defense, you’re completely out of your mind.

        Personal attacks. And of course they chased down the guy waving a gun around.

        She was walking around with a skimpy outfit, she knew what was going to happen.’

        False analogy. Rape is never justified, stopping a gunman is.

        Wisconsin is an open carry state.

        What might technically be lawful is not always sensible.

        Loaded question; it DOESN’T work both ways, especially not when there is only one aggressor.

        Showing up to a riot with a gun is aggressive by its nature. Just like if I stood with a gun in front of your house at all hours.

        • ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
          12·
          5 months ago
          • He didn’t “wave a gun around”
          • attacking someone unprovoked just because they are armed, especially when legally so, is ALSO never justified
          • existing while armed is not intrinsically aggressive/provocative, no matter how much you insist it is. Rittenhouse did literally nothing that even remotely merited the murder attempted on him thrice that day.
          • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
            11·
            5 months ago

            I saw the video. He waved a gun around.

            Waving a gun around is always provoking.

            Waving a gun around is intrinsically aggressive and provocative, no matter how much you insist that it isn’t. Rittenhouse did literally everything wrong that merited the disarming attempt on him thrice that day.

      • Fedizen@lemmy.world
        11·
        5 months ago

        it should be noted that afaik, nobody has died from BLM protestors so a “fear of dying” in the encounter should indicate a deeply troubled mind. So a competent prosecuter could probably have convinced a jury that Kyle’s fears were largely irrational and could have probably stuck manslaughter charges on him.

        After all, if you start marching around with a gun in front of your neighbor’s house then shoot him when he approaches you yelling to get off his sidewalk or whatever, its a bit insane, if not premeditated.