Creatures of Place is an insight into the wonderful world of Artist as Family: Meg Ulman, Patrick Jones, and their youngest son, Woody. Living on a 1/4-acre section in a small Australian town, Meg and Patrick have designed their property using permaculture principals.

They grow most of their own food, don’t own cars and ride their bikes instead, use very little electricity, and forage food and materials from their local forest.

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    6 days ago

    LoL “stealing”. Are you “stealing” the air you’re breathing right now? That’s a weird choice of word. Anyway.

    But you’re right. If everyone started to live like this, it would be devastating. But when you think about it, think about how many forests were cut down and how much land was taken and transformed just for agriculture around the world just to feed us humans. It’s insane.

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      I put it in quotes because I didn’t have a better word. If it’s a public park and I walk in with turf cutter, and take all the grass for my own yard, that’s clearly stealing from everyone.

      How much can I take from a public forest without it being stealing? Can I cut down 1 tree for firewood? 10? How much foraging can I do before local wildlife is affected?

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      Yes. Stealing. From the taxpayers that maintain that forest. From the public who owns the property.

      Stealing is exactly right. Because while everyone can breathe air, there isn’t enough of that forest to go around if everyone lived like this.

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            No it’s not.

            The tragedy of the commons is when too many people use a public resource in a way that is unsustainable. For example, air is not privatized but air pollution impacts everyone who checks notes uses air.

            That’s not to say there aren’t solutions to the Tragedy of the Commons problem and resources cannot be made publicly available, but systems need to be created to manage common resources.

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          The thing about the tragedy of the commons is that it’s basically bullshit. It’s been debunked as long as it’s been around. It’s privatization propaganda, nothing more.

          People have been equitably maintaining commons for literally all of human history, and they are good at doing so within their communities. Social structures to maintain commons without official regulation have been in place for generations without major issues.

          https://aeon.co/essays/the-tragedy-of-the-commons-is-a-false-and-dangerous-myth

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        Yes. Stealing. From the taxpayers that maintain that forest. From the public who owns the property.

        And from the indigenous people who originally lived there - these people are very clearly not Aboriginal Australians.

        I’ve heard Native American activists argue that white influencer style permaculture is inherently racist when performed on American soil, because it’s modeled on a romanticized ideal of white settler lifeways and has nothing to do with how permaculture was actually practiced in North America before the genocides. I’m not sure how I feel about that argument. But having a family of white Australian permaculturists literally stealing from public land to maintain their settler lifestyle… it’s a little too on the nose.